2017 Torbreck The Factor

Community Tasting Notes (8) Avg Score: 91.4 points

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  11/1/2022 - tonyhuang Likes this wine: 92 Points

  Drank over two nights, score given based on the second night. First night is very closed, muddy with much of the flavors still mingled together, a little bitter and acidity hidden. Second night much better, the acidity came out providing a very good structure that supports the bacon fat and stewed purple fruit. The flavor is heavy, needs some food to go with it.

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  10/18/2022 - Cove Haven wrote: 88 Points

  will try again in a year or two
  expected more for the cost
  Hoping for improvement with a little bottle age
  
  The wine looks inky colored. The legs are slow. There is no sediment in the bottle. It smells like black pepper and medium toast. It tastes like alcohol/hot. The body is full. The wine has coarse texture. The wine finishes medium. The wine has high acidity.

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  10/13/2022 - IvanLi Likes this wine: 94 Points

  Much darker, sweeter and more concentrated version of the descendant: dark black fruits, blackberries, mulberries, black cherries, bacon fat, bbq smoke, scorched earth…..the wine is big, massive and a true prototypical Aussie Shiraz.
  Drink or hold, you can’t go wrong with this kind of a wine, unless you despise new world shiraz.

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  3/26/2022 - forceberry wrote: 88 Points

  100% Shiraz from multiple sites in Barossa Valley, many planted in the late 1800's. Aged for 24 months in a combination of new (40%) and 2 years old / once used (60%) oak barrels. 15% alcohol, 5,98 g/l acidity and pH 3,57.
  
  Very dense, concentrated and fully opaque blackish-red color with faint purplish highlights. The nose feels youthful, powerful and quite fruit-forward with bold aromas of ripe blackberries and cherry marmalade, some brambly notes of black raspberries, a little bit of sweet, toasty oak spice and mint chocolate, light gamey tones, a woody hint of sawdust and savory oak spice and a candied touch of primary red fruit. The wine feels dense, ripe and juicy on the palate with a concentrated, full body and quite youthful flavors of wizened black cherries and savory meaty notes, some jammy dark berries, a little bit of marmaladey primary fruit, light spicy notes of black pepper and earthy spices that slowly grow in intensity and a hint of mint chocolate. The overall feel is dense, but also quite round and a bit on the soft side, thanks to the medium acidity and ripe, quite mellow tannins that contribute rather little to the structure. The lengthy finish is rich, dense and quite warm with a gentle tannic tug on the gums and rather powerful flavors of jammy dark berries and primary fruit notes of blackberry jellies, some savory notes of gamey meat, a little bit of mint chocolate, light cocoa notes of toasty oak, a hint of overripe black cherry and a touch of jammy dark berries.
  
  This is definitely a hulking powerhouse of a Shiraz brimming with old-vine concentration, lush fruit and quite pronounced toasty oak. However, that really doesn't translate that well to finesse or balance. This is just a huge, super-ripe wine with tons and tons of fruit, quite a bit of oak and a tad too much alcohol, but very little in the way of freshness or structure, which makes the wine feel quite soft, ponderous and even a bit blowzy. Seeing how remarkably youthful and at times even primary this wine is at 5 years of age, I have no doubts it will continue to evolve and improve with age, but seeing how clumsy and monolithic it feels at the moment, I honestly doubt this will become anything truly profound no matter how long it is aged. At the price of 99,98€, this is priced at the super-premium category, but tasting the wine before knowing its price, I failed to recognize anything "super-premium" in the wine and was pretty flabbergasted at the retail price. This is a good wine, but nothing near what you'd expect to get at one hundred euros.

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  2/1/2022 - kostaslonis wrote:

  Tasting Ground official tasting, Torbreck The Factor vertical (Oinoscent): Varietal: 100% Shiraz
  Regions: Gomersal, Krondorf, Marananga, Ebenezer
  Harvest: 23rd March – 27th April 2017
  Vinification: 24 months in a combination of new (40%), second fill and seasoned French oak barriques
  Alc/Vol 15% pH 3.57 Acidity 5.98g/L
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  Closer to 2016 in the nose, very youthful, filled with blue and black fruit, cherries, floral notes, airy, elegant, no oak anywhere
  Palate is the same as the nose, well hidden 15% alcohol, very fruity, a touch on the overripe side, cherries, blue berries, licorice, medium body, more elegant than the 2016, medium tannins and finish
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  24h: tight, dense black fruit toast, spicy, has not opened much, beautiful structure, balanced, fruit, nice oak frame, spicy, toast, a touch of heat, for the cellar

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