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| Drinking window: Drink between 2019 and 2033 (based on 34 user opinions) |
| Community Tasting History |
| Community Tasting Notes (average 90.3 pts. and median of 91 pts. in 12 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by drjb on 5/22/2023 & rated 93 points: Audouze for Riesling ? It certainly worked here with the initial impression was of tiredness and possible oxidation but with a couple of hours this opened beautifully. Overnight in the fridge brought even more purity and complexity with a deep green gold colour and a delicious bouquet of lime, white cherry and nectarine, custard apple, white flowers and stones. The palate reflected the purity of the fruit with real density and purity balanced by a whip of acidity and stony minerality. There is excellent persistence and complexity that belies the year and the reputation of the maker. A real surprise and a lesson in enjoying riesling from a great terroir. (203 views) | | | Tasted by americanstorm on 12/2/2021 & rated 91 points: Opens with a slight petrol nose, which I don't care for, but this subsided with time. Fairly complex with stone fruit and minerals. Long finish. Enjoyable for its price point. (371 views) | | | Tasted by americanstorm on 11/30/2020 & rated 93 points: This is probably one of the finest Kabinett that a person can find. Tropical fruits, stone fruits, lush and aromatic. Great balance so never coying. Long finish. 93-94 (413 views) | | | Tasted by drjb on 6/28/2020 & rated 90 points: This wine remains a deep green gold colour with a delicious bouquet of lime, white cherry, nectarine, custard apple and stones with a zippy palate of intense fruit leading in to a mineral finish with a strong whip of acidity to balance the fruit. Delicious yet not for the long haul. (592 views) | | | Tasted by drjb on 4/29/2019 & rated 91 points: This wine initially looked worryingly dark and the nose seemed closed but with aeration the wine while remaining quite deeply green gold was a more correct colour and showed a lovely nose of white nectarine, lime zest, custard apple, Granny-Smiths and slate. The palate has plenty of zesty fruit and a core of rich texture balanced by that whip of acidity and slate driven minerality. A very decent Kabinett from a difficult vintage. (771 views) | | | Tasted by martijnkriens on 12/24/2018 & rated 90 points: Very nice off-dry Riesling. Full of flavor with a strong , nice acidity. Hint of sweetness. Nice with food (687 views) | | | Tasted by Burgundy Al on 10/25/2018 & rated 91 points: Plum Market Luxury Tasting (Bad Hunter - Chicago IL): Tasting, brief note. Apple tart, orange peel with some marzipan notes. Slightly sweeter than I'd think for Kabinett, but I expect that will soften with a few more years. Intriguing nuance already emerging. 91+ point potential, 2022 forward. (1559 views) | | | Tasted by drjb on 4/30/2018 & rated 91 points: Colour quite deep green gold. There is a delicious bouquet of lime, grapefruit, nectarine and stones with a zippy palate of intense fruit leading in to a mineral finish with a strong whip of acidity to balance the fruit. Lovely wine without the cohesion of a top vintage - probably best enjoyed in the next 7 years. (747 views) | | | Tasted by martijnkriens on 2/4/2018 & rated 86 points: Fairly sweet for a cabinet. (667 views) | | | Tasted by drjb on 2/24/2017 & rated 91 points: Deep green colour. Rich nose of lime, poached pear, lemon and stone. The palate initially seems a little disjointed with a slightly sharp acid kick but this settles with an hour in the decanter into a well balanced combination of bright fruit and a fine acid finish. A lovely wine with a long future ahead. (731 views) | | | Tasted by hermesbach32 on 11/29/2016 & rated 87 points: Grünliche Farbe;
Im Duft erfrischend und kühlend wirkend, Aromen von Pfirsich, Gras, „würzigem Schiefer“, Stroh;
Etwas fad, wenig Säure und Süße, wirkt zu zurückhaltend, sehr feiner langer Abgang, komplexe Gewürznoten, sehr feiner Geschmack, kühle, erfrischende Fruchtnoten, Mineralik im Abgang präsent (719 views) |
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Mosel Fine Wines, Maturing Wines: 10 years after retrospective of 2014, Issue #70 (4/1/2024)
(Wwe Dr. H. Thanisch - Erben Thanisch Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett) Login and sign up and see review text. | By Jean Fisch and David Rayer
Mosel Fine Wines, Vintage Report 2014, Review by Estate - Part II, Issue #29 (10/15/2015)
(Wwe Dr. H. Thanisch - Erben Thanisch Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett) Login and sign up and see review text. | By Julia Harding, MW
JancisRobinson.com (6/4/2015)
(Dr H Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch), Riesling Kabinett Mosel White) Subscribe to see review text. | By Julia Harding, MW
JancisRobinson.com (6/4/2015)
(Dr H Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch), Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett Mosel White) Subscribe to see review text. | By John Gilman
View From the Cellar, Mar/Apr 2015, Issue #56, The 2014 German Vintage: A Rollercoaster Growing Season Comes Right At the End
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| Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) Producer web site
Until 1988 there was one Dr. H Thanisch estate. However, family members divided this into two separate estates:
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben Müller-Burggraef) (the AP# starts with 2 576 742)
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) (the AP# starts with 2 576 242)
If you are entering a wine from 1988 and later, PLEASE take a VERY close look at the label and consult the fine print to determine which of the two estates made your wine.
Reports from the field suggest that the first few post-split vintages are especially similar. The "Erben Müller-Burggraef" and "Erben Thanisch-Spier" are, or should be, present on the label. Erben Müller-Burggraef uses a slightly smaller label with a neck label, Erben Thanisch a larger body label and no neck label. Erben Thanisch are members of the VDP, characterized by a black eagle symbol at the bottom left of the label, and Erben Müller-Burggraef does not belong to this association.Riesling Varietal character (Appellation America) | A short history of Riesling (Uncork) | Riesling (wikipedia)KabinettLowest must sugar content of Prädikat designation resulting in light wines, typically semi-sweet with crisp acidity.Germany Wines of Germany | The Association of German Prädikat Wine Estates (VDP) | How to read a German wine label | Geographical Information Down to Single Vineyards
#2014 Vintage Notes:
2014 Vintage Report by Terry Theise
2014 Vintage Report by Wine Spectator
"My gut still tells me the Saar (and to some extent) the Ruwer are better overall in 2014 than the more storied areas of the Mosel proper, but those that spent the requisite time living in their middle-Mosel vineyards made some of the most electric and "feathery" Riesling in a long time (maybe the finest in 20 years - yes, it's true!)" - Jon Rimmerman (Of course only a very short historical memory would call the Saar and Ruwer less 'storied' than the middle Mosel - jht)Mosel Saar RuwerStarting in 2007 the German wine authorities have changed labeling laws to rename all of the Mosel-Saar-Ruwer wines to just "Mosel." This puts this and other database driven sites in a difficult spot, as millions of old wine label reflect the former labeling. As described here, CellarTracker has elected to remain with the old labeling for a number of years to avoid confusion. At some point we will switch over to just "Mosel" but not for a few years at least.
Mosel WeinKulturland (Moselwein e.V.)
Detailed geographical information at weinlagen.info
#2018 Vintage Notes:
"Acid levels are relatively low throughout Riesling-growing Europe (acidification will once again be permitted in Germany – no surprise, as that’s been the case in eight of the last 10 vintages); but because malic acid was baked off or degraded by relentlessly balmy weather means, what acid remains is overwhelmingly of the efficacious tartaric sort. Extract levels are low, as one would anticipate from a growing season during which relatively little moisture was coursing through the vine’s roots and shoots. [...] Everyone is astonished how there could have been so much juice despite the drought." - David Schildknecht
"2018 is a homogenous vintage with a very high general level, below which it seldom falls [...] It leads with blossom. It is perhaps 80% delicious and 20% fascinating." - Terry Theise
#2017 Vintage Notes:
"not so friendly towards light wines" - Milkmansteve
#2016 Vintage Notes: "Overall, 2016 is a charmer of a vintage with much immediate ripe and fruity appeal, not unlike 2011 (in fresher) or 2007 (in lighter). However, 2016 is far from being homogeneous, in fact it is composed of a mosaic of vintages, a result of the freakish growing conditions. Hidden inside the vintage, there are true gems with the balance of 1997, one of the best vintages ever, 2002 or even 2008. The bulk of the harvest was brought in with refreshingly moderate sugar levels. Overall, the Saar and Ruwer produced slightly fresher wines than the Middle Mosel but there are great differences between Estates. The good harvest conditions allowed for some Auslese, little BA and even TBA wines, but some remarkably pure and fruity Eiswein.
In general, 2016 offers the opportunity to acquire Riesling with great immediate ripe appeal: The vintage is a true charmer. At the top, 2016 is one of the most exciting and elegantly balanced vintage since the 1990s and well-worth stocking up for cellaring! In particular, we urge our readers to literally plunge onto the finest Kabinett and Spätlese: These are some of the most exciting and classic we have ever tasted. 2016 looks also set to become a major vintage for dry Riesling, provided the aromatics are not overripe. Lovers of dessert wines will find much to love in 2016 as the Auslese are pure and the Eiswein are gorgeously fruity. They should however also keep an eye open for the remaining stunning noble-sweet wines from 2015 which are still available here and there." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 36, July 2017
#2014 Vintage Notes:
"The heterogeneity of the 2014 vintage carries over onto the aging process. The top wines start to close down, as one would expect from these wines which are a remake of those from the 1990s. The wines affected by gin, saffron and mushroom flavors are still comparatively open and offer a not unattractive Scheurebe styled fruit opulence. We would opt to drink up these lesser wines except for the odd bottle and bury the little treasures of the vintage deep into the cellar." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 30, March 2016
#2013 Vintage Notes:
"The fruity-styled 2013 wines have firmed up significantly since last year and start to show signs of closing down, making the underlying acidity seemingly sharp and out of balance. The better dry wines have come out of their early armor of smoke and tannin but the acidity may prove quite challenging. Quite frankly, except for some smaller bottlings, this is a vintage to lay down and wait." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2012 Vintage Notes:
"The 2012 wines have put on some flesh and go through a 'fattier' phase which is not unlike what the 2007 went through at the same period. However, the zestier acidity cuts through this 'weight' and makes the wines thoroughly enjoyable at this early stage. In particular the fruity Kabinett and Spatlese as well as the off-dry and dry wines offer much pleasure. We expect these wines to close down over the coming year or two. Enjoy while it lasts!" - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2011 Vintage Notes:
"A bit to our surprise, the 2011 wines have shut down and go through a quite difficult and muted phase now. Their low acidity combined with their maturity makes them feel rich, opulent and often bulky, and thus not really enjoyable. We expect that these will need at least a decade to integrate their sweetness and gain in harmony. The only exception is the dry wines, whose low acidity makes for great food companionship." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2010 Vintage Notes:
"After a mellower period in 2012, many 2010 wines have firmed up and developed a stronger smoky side. However, most continue to shine through their fruit opulence, structure and deliciously zesty but ripe acidity. This suits in particular the off-dry bottlings, which have more charm than the legally dry wines. Will these wines close down? Actually, the softening acidity makes us wonder now but it also provides further evidence that these wines will turn out harmonious after all." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2009 Vintage Notes:
"Most 2009 wines have closed down, which accentuates their round and soft side forward. Many can still be quite enjoyable but the times of primary fruit with its attractive aromatic expression and a generous acidic kick are now over. Except for the dry wines, we would definitely recommend keeping your hands off any bottle in your cellar and possibly buying more wines from this vintage on the market as these are true gems in the making." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015 |
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