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| Community Tasting Notes (average 90.9 pts. and median of 91 pts. in 24 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by drwine2001 on 6/5/2023: Medium yellow. A rich, rather sweet Kabinett that is really a Spatlese by any other name. Ripe citrus, peach, and even mango. A rush of stoniness on the finish compensates to some extent for noticeably low acidity. Too loose and blurry. (1580 views) | | | Tasted by grafstrb on 9/18/2022 & rated 92 points: -- popped and poured --
-- tasted non-blind over a couple hours --
NOSE: medium-light to medium petrol; medium+ expressiveness; pretty much exactly what I think of when I think of "sweet MSR Riesling."
BODY: full bodied; no spritz; youthful light gold color.
TASTE: gooseberry, with ample mineral; youthful, but relaxed; mineral is metallic, and a green pear note emerged with air; high acidity; very nice right now.
50, 5, 12, 17, 8 = 92+ (1076 views) | | | Tasted by Lehto on 7/13/2022 & rated 93 points: Taking the price in to consideration this might be the best Kabinett I've ever had...
I might have scored the 2018 Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Kabinett 1 point higher than this but that one's also at least 4x the price and I rated it for the aging potential.
It had started turning a slight golden color after about 7 years now. Beautiful in the Spiegelau Definition Universal glass. 8% ABV.
Nose was right in your face from the first pour but opened up even more as time progressed. Green apple, apple blossom, white peach, nectarine, lime juice, wet slate and a very tiny hint of rubber and smoke fills up the nostrils. You can really sense the acidity here and that this wine is going to deliver...
Palate is just what all Kabinetts should be. The elegance and lightness combined with this fierce intensity and complexity with a long finish! It's just waves and waves of green apple, white peach, nectarine, lime juice, lime zest, passion fruit and such high minerality it's to die for. The balance between the fruity sweetness and high acidity is ethereal. (1495 views) | | | Tasted by grafstrb on 8/18/2021: Calming down since the last time I had this. Kabinett-level sweetness. Typical Mosel. 8% alc. not noticeable. (1760 views) | | | Tasted by rocknroller on 7/24/2021 & rated 92 points: Light gold color. Drank a glass over 90 minutes. Fusil, apple, apple blossoms, wet slate, and lime. The palate is brisk and fresh, sour apple, lime extract, light fusil, great balance and acidity. 92+ to 93. (1964 views) | | | Tasted by stevenc.rees@gmail.com on 9/29/2020 & rated 91 points: This Kabinet level wine was sweeter than is historically typical for kabinets. Be aware of that. I call it off dry actually. The petrol character is present, not too forward. Fruit is standout good. I would serve this with cheese and fruit, not dinner, though it could do fairly well with a dish featuring soft cheese or cream sauce - your option. It has the acid to work with a fatty food.... Drink or Hold. (1651 views) | | | Tasted by tcosgriff on 8/16/2020 & rated 90 points: Pale yellow color with a bouquet and flavor of dried apples, citrus, and petrol. Very nice acidity with moderate nuance, good balance, and a moderately long finish. I was a bit disappointed in the wine as I chose it thinking that it wouldn't be too sweet, being a Kabinett, but it was in fact very sweet. (1609 views) | | | Tasted by shifter on 6/28/2020 & rated 90 points: Roofing tar and diesel on the nose with a hint of peach and apple blossoms and some underripe peach fruit. Great body on the palate with more peach and nectarine and the tartness of green apple. Finish lingers but too racy and tart to be enjoyable. Still closed for business at the moment. (1972 views) | | | Tasted by drwine2001 on 5/21/2020: Medium yellow. Pure orchard fruit aromas. Light, off dry, tons of apple followed by lime, racy acidity, and a long stony finish. Terrific balance between richness and cut, dynamite interplay of sweet and sour that only German Rieslings do so perfectly. A treat on a sunny confinement afternoon. (2219 views) | | | Tasted by rieslinghoarder on 4/11/2020 & rated 92 points: 1st of 4 bottles. Pungent nose of petrol, with a little honey, chamomile, peach, and lemon/lime. Good balance of sweetness and acidity on the palate, but falls a little flat on the finish. Clearly a wine in the midst of developing, the fruit aromas and flavors overall seem a bit muted. I suspect this is because many the 2015s are closed for business right now. Will open my next bottle in 5-7 years. (1976 views) | | | Tasted by Vietty on 3/11/2020: Exuberant fruit but I felt it lacked complexity and was overly sweet with a syrupy texture. Would pair well with spicy food but I think you can do better at this price point. Going to give the next bottle some time to see if anything develops. (1648 views) | | | Tasted by aquacongas on 9/8/2019 & rated 89 points: not blind
a bit too sweet in the Balance but typical Mosel Kabi. 89 (1905 views) | | | Tasted by grafstrb on 7/17/2019: -- popped and poured --
-- tasted non-blind over a few hours --
-- AP #: … 05 16 --
NOSE: medium-light petrol; slightly honeyed, with light fruit flavors; nectarine is the only specific fruit flavor that stood-out to me; medium+ expressiveness.
BODY: medium pale yellow color; no spritz; medium-full bodied.
TASTE: zippy acidity, and plenty of it; lots of mineral; pear; hint of canvas tent; 8% alc. not noticeable; Kabinett+ for sweetness. Yet another fantastic 2015 German Riesling! Gut impression score: 92 – 94. Drink Now – 2030. (1718 views) | | | Tasted by ruth3 on 6/28/2019: WOTN, dry but luscious. honeyed weight and fresh at the same time. (1474 views) | | | Tasted by chablis28 on 11/29/2018 & rated 91 points: My last of 3 and as predicted, these purchased in late 2017 didn't make it to 2019. Not an amazing wine from such a gorgeously situated steep, legendary Mosel vineyard but, completely on the mark in every other way for Kabinett level Moselle Riesling. Lively, fresh, with an array of citrus, stone fruit, slate infused minerality and thankfully not much petrol. Wishing I had a few more of these. 8% Alc Solid value at $27. Great tonight with Kung Po Chicken. (1924 views) | | | Tasted by AllRed on 10/5/2018 & rated 89 points: Peach, slate and lime. A slight spritz on the palate. Citrus, stone fruit and crab apple flavors. (1330 views) | | | Tasted by chablis28 on 5/20/2018 & rated 91 points: Bought 3 of these and the last btl will likely be well gone by 2019. Excellent. (1989 views) | | | Tasted by Richnstacy on 3/17/2018 & rated 91 points: Bright, fresh, and drinking well young. (1225 views) | | | Tasted by chablis28 on 3/6/2018 & rated 91 points: Lush yet energetic and fresh. Not unduly bright like young Riesling can be. Balanced, complex, delicious with just a hint of sweetness. Great alone with food. Petrol was very faint thankfully. (1848 views) | | | Tasted by Anton_Wallin on 3/16/2017 & rated 90 points: Fantastic acidity, fruit-forward, off dry but really really balanced. Vintage 2015 will definitely be terrific! Buy a lot of this and drink now and within next 15 years (1338 views) | | | Tasted by saten26 on 11/21/2016: Intense honeysuckle perfume is offset by enticing complexities of mushroom and earth in this sprightly off-dry Riesling. Concentrated tangerine and stone fruit flavors extend through a long, sunny finish (1305 views) | | | Tasted by strawbo on 6/11/2016 & rated 93 points: Tyske superstjerner (German superstars) (S'vinbar, Aarhus): Wine gum with pear flavor. Impressive balance. High drinkability. (1366 views) |
| Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) Producer web site
Until 1988 there was one Dr. H Thanisch estate. However, family members divided this into two separate estates:
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben Müller-Burggraef) (the AP# starts with 2 576 742)
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) (the AP# starts with 2 576 242)
If you are entering a wine from 1988 and later, PLEASE take a VERY close look at the label and consult the fine print to determine which of the two estates made your wine.
Reports from the field suggest that the first few post-split vintages are especially similar. The "Erben Müller-Burggraef" and "Erben Thanisch-Spier" are, or should be, present on the label. Erben Müller-Burggraef uses a slightly smaller label with a neck label, Erben Thanisch a larger body label and no neck label. Erben Thanisch are members of the VDP, characterized by a black eagle symbol at the bottom left of the label, and Erben Müller-Burggraef does not belong to this association.Riesling Varietal character (Appellation America) | A short history of Riesling (Uncork) | Riesling (wikipedia)KabinettLowest must sugar content of Prädikat designation resulting in light wines, typically semi-sweet with crisp acidity.Germany Wines of Germany | The Association of German Prädikat Wine Estates (VDP) | How to read a German wine label | Geographical Information Down to Single Vineyards
#2014 Vintage Notes:
2014 Vintage Report by Terry Theise
2014 Vintage Report by Wine Spectator
"My gut still tells me the Saar (and to some extent) the Ruwer are better overall in 2014 than the more storied areas of the Mosel proper, but those that spent the requisite time living in their middle-Mosel vineyards made some of the most electric and "feathery" Riesling in a long time (maybe the finest in 20 years - yes, it's true!)" - Jon Rimmerman (Of course only a very short historical memory would call the Saar and Ruwer less 'storied' than the middle Mosel - jht)Mosel Saar RuwerStarting in 2007 the German wine authorities have changed labeling laws to rename all of the Mosel-Saar-Ruwer wines to just "Mosel." This puts this and other database driven sites in a difficult spot, as millions of old wine label reflect the former labeling. As described here, CellarTracker has elected to remain with the old labeling for a number of years to avoid confusion. At some point we will switch over to just "Mosel" but not for a few years at least.
Mosel WeinKulturland (Moselwein e.V.)
Detailed geographical information at weinlagen.info
#2018 Vintage Notes:
"Acid levels are relatively low throughout Riesling-growing Europe (acidification will once again be permitted in Germany – no surprise, as that’s been the case in eight of the last 10 vintages); but because malic acid was baked off or degraded by relentlessly balmy weather means, what acid remains is overwhelmingly of the efficacious tartaric sort. Extract levels are low, as one would anticipate from a growing season during which relatively little moisture was coursing through the vine’s roots and shoots. [...] Everyone is astonished how there could have been so much juice despite the drought." - David Schildknecht
"2018 is a homogenous vintage with a very high general level, below which it seldom falls [...] It leads with blossom. It is perhaps 80% delicious and 20% fascinating." - Terry Theise
#2017 Vintage Notes:
"not so friendly towards light wines" - Milkmansteve
#2016 Vintage Notes: "Overall, 2016 is a charmer of a vintage with much immediate ripe and fruity appeal, not unlike 2011 (in fresher) or 2007 (in lighter). However, 2016 is far from being homogeneous, in fact it is composed of a mosaic of vintages, a result of the freakish growing conditions. Hidden inside the vintage, there are true gems with the balance of 1997, one of the best vintages ever, 2002 or even 2008. The bulk of the harvest was brought in with refreshingly moderate sugar levels. Overall, the Saar and Ruwer produced slightly fresher wines than the Middle Mosel but there are great differences between Estates. The good harvest conditions allowed for some Auslese, little BA and even TBA wines, but some remarkably pure and fruity Eiswein.
In general, 2016 offers the opportunity to acquire Riesling with great immediate ripe appeal: The vintage is a true charmer. At the top, 2016 is one of the most exciting and elegantly balanced vintage since the 1990s and well-worth stocking up for cellaring! In particular, we urge our readers to literally plunge onto the finest Kabinett and Spätlese: These are some of the most exciting and classic we have ever tasted. 2016 looks also set to become a major vintage for dry Riesling, provided the aromatics are not overripe. Lovers of dessert wines will find much to love in 2016 as the Auslese are pure and the Eiswein are gorgeously fruity. They should however also keep an eye open for the remaining stunning noble-sweet wines from 2015 which are still available here and there." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 36, July 2017
#2014 Vintage Notes:
"The heterogeneity of the 2014 vintage carries over onto the aging process. The top wines start to close down, as one would expect from these wines which are a remake of those from the 1990s. The wines affected by gin, saffron and mushroom flavors are still comparatively open and offer a not unattractive Scheurebe styled fruit opulence. We would opt to drink up these lesser wines except for the odd bottle and bury the little treasures of the vintage deep into the cellar." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 30, March 2016
#2013 Vintage Notes:
"The fruity-styled 2013 wines have firmed up significantly since last year and start to show signs of closing down, making the underlying acidity seemingly sharp and out of balance. The better dry wines have come out of their early armor of smoke and tannin but the acidity may prove quite challenging. Quite frankly, except for some smaller bottlings, this is a vintage to lay down and wait." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2012 Vintage Notes:
"The 2012 wines have put on some flesh and go through a 'fattier' phase which is not unlike what the 2007 went through at the same period. However, the zestier acidity cuts through this 'weight' and makes the wines thoroughly enjoyable at this early stage. In particular the fruity Kabinett and Spatlese as well as the off-dry and dry wines offer much pleasure. We expect these wines to close down over the coming year or two. Enjoy while it lasts!" - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2011 Vintage Notes:
"A bit to our surprise, the 2011 wines have shut down and go through a quite difficult and muted phase now. Their low acidity combined with their maturity makes them feel rich, opulent and often bulky, and thus not really enjoyable. We expect that these will need at least a decade to integrate their sweetness and gain in harmony. The only exception is the dry wines, whose low acidity makes for great food companionship." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2010 Vintage Notes:
"After a mellower period in 2012, many 2010 wines have firmed up and developed a stronger smoky side. However, most continue to shine through their fruit opulence, structure and deliciously zesty but ripe acidity. This suits in particular the off-dry bottlings, which have more charm than the legally dry wines. Will these wines close down? Actually, the softening acidity makes us wonder now but it also provides further evidence that these wines will turn out harmonious after all." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2009 Vintage Notes:
"Most 2009 wines have closed down, which accentuates their round and soft side forward. Many can still be quite enjoyable but the times of primary fruit with its attractive aromatic expression and a generous acidic kick are now over. Except for the dry wines, we would definitely recommend keeping your hands off any bottle in your cellar and possibly buying more wines from this vintage on the market as these are true gems in the making." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015 |
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