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| Community Tasting Notes (average 90.2 pts. and median of 90 pts. in 13 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by Deaddeadwine on 4/24/2022: Served at dinner with friends, along with two other German Rieslings. So, this is merely a brief recollection.
Quite heavy for a kabinett - a friend semi-derisively described this as an Auslese. Sweet, concentrated with fruit bowl of flavors. YOUNG!
A long life ahead, it'll certainly improve with time (219 views) | | | Tasted by cannym on 4/15/2020 & rated 89 points: Light gold. Quite sweet and concentrated for a Kab. Lots of white peach, some citrus, light honey, bit of spring flowers. Lots of acidity. Decent length. Good but not outstanding, solid though. Plenty life there too. (417 views) | | | Tasted by lquam on 11/23/2014 & rated 90 points: Medium straw color. Apricot with a hint of petrol on the nose. Peaches, meyer lemon and lychee with zippy acidity. Big wine; will last a while. (1902 views) | | | Tasted by wineretriever on 12/18/2013 & rated 92 points: Delicious, fragrant nose of sweet apricot and peach, with petrol and white stone present, too. Mouth-coating apricot and peach on the palate balanced by tongue-tingling acidity. Yum. (2045 views) | | | Tasted by blindretriever on 12/18/2013 & rated 91 points: Tough to get a better example of Riesling. This could last forever, but was great tonight (actually last night). Great blinder for anyone studying. Tasted by wineretriever on 12/18/2013 & rated 92 points: Delicious, fragrant nose of sweet apricot and peach, with petrol and white stone present, too. Petrol nose and rich ripe apricot on both nose and pleasantly coated palate. (2207 views) | | | Tasted by wineismylife on 9/14/2013 & rated 90 points: WIML90
Tasted non blind at a wine dinner.
Light yellow color in the glass, clear looking throughout. Nose of ruby red grapefruit, apricot and peach. Flavors of peach wasser, sweet cherry and lemon. Bright acidity, light to medium body. Drink or hold. (2317 views) | | | Tasted by Patrik H on 8/24/2013 & rated 85 points: Citrus, mineral nose. Miss the balance, significant alcohol. No complexity at all quite straight forward medium-short finish. (2092 views) | | | Tasted by ckinv368 on 8/17/2013 & rated 92 points: Sweet, clean, citrus, lemon, lychee, pure, delicious. Light, good acidic balance, really nice finish. 92-93 (605 views) | | | Tasted by startinoz on 6/11/2013 & rated 93 points: Reasonable sweetness, strong but perfectly judged acidity balances things nicely. Pure, intense flavours and juicy lime flavours tingling on the tongue for a long time. Very good. (709 views) | | | Tasted by Genghis88 on 5/25/2013 & rated 89 points: Dortmund+Bayern @Homer
Yellow,
Sweet leaves-wet wool
Medium+ bodied Good acidity, some petulance
Lemon zest, some
sweet honey undertones
Longish finish (431 views) | | | Tasted by chatters on 2/28/2013: Seafood and Riesling supper (My place, world square, sydney): medium minus intensity aromas of tropical fruit - pineapple (?), stony/slate minerality and sulphur. In the mouth the wine is fresh and fruity, it has a slight spritz and a touch of phenolic grip, is at the sweeter end of off dry and has flavours that offer a cornucopia of ripe fruit. Very nice. (950 views) | | | Tasted by chatters on 2/7/2013: Langton's Cellar Club February 2013 - Riesling around the world (Roof Terrace Australian Museum): On the nose there is orange, slight apricot and tropical fruit and almost touches of marmalade botrytis notes. In the mouth there are flavours of juicy orange, slight lemon curd on the off dry, medium plus zesty acid wine. Very good. (966 views) | | | Tasted by quickben on 2/25/2012 & rated 91 points: Lovely balance with the fruit acidity and RS setting each other of beautifully (821 views) |
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JancisRobinson.com (3/10/2019)
(Dr H Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch), Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett Mosel White) Subscribe to see review text. | By Joel B. Payne
Vinous, January/February 2012, IWC Issue #160
(Dr. H. Thanisch Bernkasteler Doktor Riesling Kabinett) Subscribe to see review text. | By Jean Fisch and David Rayer
Mosel Fine Wines, Vintage Report 2010, Review by Estate - Part II, Issue #17 (10/1/2011)
(Wwe Dr. H. Thanisch – Erben Thanisch Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett) Login and sign up and see review text. | By Jancis Robinson, MW
JancisRobinson.com (7/4/2011)
(Dr H Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch), Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett Mosel White) Subscribe to see review text. | By John Gilman
View From the Cellar, Mar/Apr 2011, Issue #32, The 2010 German Vintage: High Sugars, Higher Acidity and the Lowest Yields in Recent Memory
(Berncasteler Doctor Riesling Kabinett- Wwe. Dr. Thanisch Erben Thanisch) Login and sign up and see review text. |
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| Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) Producer web site
Until 1988 there was one Dr. H Thanisch estate. However, family members divided this into two separate estates:
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben Müller-Burggraef) (the AP# starts with 2 576 742)
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) (the AP# starts with 2 576 242)
If you are entering a wine from 1988 and later, PLEASE take a VERY close look at the label and consult the fine print to determine which of the two estates made your wine.
Reports from the field suggest that the first few post-split vintages are especially similar. The "Erben Müller-Burggraef" and "Erben Thanisch-Spier" are, or should be, present on the label. Erben Müller-Burggraef uses a slightly smaller label with a neck label, Erben Thanisch a larger body label and no neck label. Erben Thanisch are members of the VDP, characterized by a black eagle symbol at the bottom left of the label, and Erben Müller-Burggraef does not belong to this association.Riesling Varietal character (Appellation America) | A short history of Riesling (Uncork) | Riesling (wikipedia)KabinettLowest must sugar content of Prädikat designation resulting in light wines, typically semi-sweet with crisp acidity.Germany Wines of Germany | The Association of German Prädikat Wine Estates (VDP) | How to read a German wine label | Geographical Information Down to Single Vineyards
#2014 Vintage Notes:
2014 Vintage Report by Terry Theise
2014 Vintage Report by Wine Spectator
"My gut still tells me the Saar (and to some extent) the Ruwer are better overall in 2014 than the more storied areas of the Mosel proper, but those that spent the requisite time living in their middle-Mosel vineyards made some of the most electric and "feathery" Riesling in a long time (maybe the finest in 20 years - yes, it's true!)" - Jon Rimmerman (Of course only a very short historical memory would call the Saar and Ruwer less 'storied' than the middle Mosel - jht)Mosel Saar RuwerStarting in 2007 the German wine authorities have changed labeling laws to rename all of the Mosel-Saar-Ruwer wines to just "Mosel." This puts this and other database driven sites in a difficult spot, as millions of old wine label reflect the former labeling. As described here, CellarTracker has elected to remain with the old labeling for a number of years to avoid confusion. At some point we will switch over to just "Mosel" but not for a few years at least.
Mosel WeinKulturland (Moselwein e.V.)
Detailed geographical information at weinlagen.info
#2018 Vintage Notes:
"Acid levels are relatively low throughout Riesling-growing Europe (acidification will once again be permitted in Germany – no surprise, as that’s been the case in eight of the last 10 vintages); but because malic acid was baked off or degraded by relentlessly balmy weather means, what acid remains is overwhelmingly of the efficacious tartaric sort. Extract levels are low, as one would anticipate from a growing season during which relatively little moisture was coursing through the vine’s roots and shoots. [...] Everyone is astonished how there could have been so much juice despite the drought." - David Schildknecht
"2018 is a homogenous vintage with a very high general level, below which it seldom falls [...] It leads with blossom. It is perhaps 80% delicious and 20% fascinating." - Terry Theise
#2017 Vintage Notes:
"not so friendly towards light wines" - Milkmansteve
#2016 Vintage Notes: "Overall, 2016 is a charmer of a vintage with much immediate ripe and fruity appeal, not unlike 2011 (in fresher) or 2007 (in lighter). However, 2016 is far from being homogeneous, in fact it is composed of a mosaic of vintages, a result of the freakish growing conditions. Hidden inside the vintage, there are true gems with the balance of 1997, one of the best vintages ever, 2002 or even 2008. The bulk of the harvest was brought in with refreshingly moderate sugar levels. Overall, the Saar and Ruwer produced slightly fresher wines than the Middle Mosel but there are great differences between Estates. The good harvest conditions allowed for some Auslese, little BA and even TBA wines, but some remarkably pure and fruity Eiswein.
In general, 2016 offers the opportunity to acquire Riesling with great immediate ripe appeal: The vintage is a true charmer. At the top, 2016 is one of the most exciting and elegantly balanced vintage since the 1990s and well-worth stocking up for cellaring! In particular, we urge our readers to literally plunge onto the finest Kabinett and Spätlese: These are some of the most exciting and classic we have ever tasted. 2016 looks also set to become a major vintage for dry Riesling, provided the aromatics are not overripe. Lovers of dessert wines will find much to love in 2016 as the Auslese are pure and the Eiswein are gorgeously fruity. They should however also keep an eye open for the remaining stunning noble-sweet wines from 2015 which are still available here and there." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 36, July 2017
#2014 Vintage Notes:
"The heterogeneity of the 2014 vintage carries over onto the aging process. The top wines start to close down, as one would expect from these wines which are a remake of those from the 1990s. The wines affected by gin, saffron and mushroom flavors are still comparatively open and offer a not unattractive Scheurebe styled fruit opulence. We would opt to drink up these lesser wines except for the odd bottle and bury the little treasures of the vintage deep into the cellar." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 30, March 2016
#2013 Vintage Notes:
"The fruity-styled 2013 wines have firmed up significantly since last year and start to show signs of closing down, making the underlying acidity seemingly sharp and out of balance. The better dry wines have come out of their early armor of smoke and tannin but the acidity may prove quite challenging. Quite frankly, except for some smaller bottlings, this is a vintage to lay down and wait." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2012 Vintage Notes:
"The 2012 wines have put on some flesh and go through a 'fattier' phase which is not unlike what the 2007 went through at the same period. However, the zestier acidity cuts through this 'weight' and makes the wines thoroughly enjoyable at this early stage. In particular the fruity Kabinett and Spatlese as well as the off-dry and dry wines offer much pleasure. We expect these wines to close down over the coming year or two. Enjoy while it lasts!" - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2011 Vintage Notes:
"A bit to our surprise, the 2011 wines have shut down and go through a quite difficult and muted phase now. Their low acidity combined with their maturity makes them feel rich, opulent and often bulky, and thus not really enjoyable. We expect that these will need at least a decade to integrate their sweetness and gain in harmony. The only exception is the dry wines, whose low acidity makes for great food companionship." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2010 Vintage Notes:
"After a mellower period in 2012, many 2010 wines have firmed up and developed a stronger smoky side. However, most continue to shine through their fruit opulence, structure and deliciously zesty but ripe acidity. This suits in particular the off-dry bottlings, which have more charm than the legally dry wines. Will these wines close down? Actually, the softening acidity makes us wonder now but it also provides further evidence that these wines will turn out harmonious after all." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2009 Vintage Notes:
"Most 2009 wines have closed down, which accentuates their round and soft side forward. Many can still be quite enjoyable but the times of primary fruit with its attractive aromatic expression and a generous acidic kick are now over. Except for the dry wines, we would definitely recommend keeping your hands off any bottle in your cellar and possibly buying more wines from this vintage on the market as these are true gems in the making." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015 |
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