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| Community Tasting Notes (average 90.7 pts. and median of 92 pts. in 14 notes) - hiding notes with no text | | | Tasted by cfk49 on 5/25/2020 & rated 92 points: Ripe with a fair amount of sweetness -- this would have been Spätlese in an earlier era. Pure, almost crystalline apricot fruit that is intense. Outstanding overall balance and still enough acidity. Cellared since original release. (1021 views) | | | Tasted by Somm David T on 12/15/2018 & rated 93 points: The nose reveals, lighter more subtle petrol characteristics, ripe golden apple, ripe fleshy pineapple , apricots, marmalade, lemon syrup, grapefruit with pith, honey, beeswax, a little lime candy, white spice, dry stones, yellow lilies and spring flowers.
The body is thick, rich, waxy and a touch syrupy. Dry, pineapple & apricots, golden apple, peach, lemon syrup, lime candy, some green apple, grapefruit with pith, marmalade, orange rind, fruit blossoms, honey, beeswax, soft delicate minerality, very light petrol notes, slate, white spice with yellow lilies and spring flowers. Acidity is round and magnificent. The 09 is in a good place with plenty of life ahead. The rich, lush, well balanced finish is persistent for minutes.
Excellent with spicy Asian food. (1353 views) | | | Tasted by TexasBob on 6/14/2018 & rated 93 points: Very light green tinge. Sweet nectarine and slightly bitter honey on the nose. Sweet lemon verbena and solid minerality. A distant hint of effervescence on a soft texture. (1746 views) | | | Tasted by drwine2001 on 9/1/2014: Light color. More lime than orchard fruits and some secondary Riesling tones beginning to creep in. Wonderfully light with great impact of pure fruit and slate finish. Significant sweetness here, but somewhat leavened by the fine acidity and stone. A great end of summer dinner treat. (4398 views) | | | Tasted by jfpwine on 5/16/2014: Strong gasoline nose. This dissipated quickly, but some hints of it remained. Light wine, with some sweetness. Not my favorite, but the rest of the group liked it, so I declined to rate. (4382 views) | | | Tasted by drwine2001 on 12/9/2013: Light yellow with some green. Yellow apple and cinnamon cut by lime and white flower. Off dry and perhaps a scooch fuller than your mind's eye Mosel Kabinett, but excellent acidity and even better slate throughout. Not perfect but I'm not complaining. (4105 views) | | | Tasted by jibby on 8/20/2013 & rated 88 points: Lively. Just slightly sweet. Great balance. Good acidity. Highly drinkable. Nothing especially complex, but a great example of a Kabinett from Mosel. (3908 views) | | | Tasted by awinestory on 4/3/2013 & rated 89 points: the sharp acidity hits you first, then the tropical papaya and apricot and super ripe peach. RS I'm gaging at 40 g/l yet am trying to research the exact amount. It does NOT taste sweet at all, anyone would say the RS is modest at best yet given the eight percent alcohol it has to be 40 and above .... (3698 views) | | | Tasted by Squirrelled on 3/26/2013 & rated 87 points: Light green tinged color yields lime, citrus, apricot, and stony fruits on both the nose and palate and a nice tight line of minerals and acidity run through the middle. Quite good. (1398 views) | | | Tasted by drwine2001 on 2/23/2013: Dr. Thanisch Wines with Sofia Thanisch (Nectar Wine Lounge, San Francisco): Racier, livelier and drier than the Badstube Kabinett. Amazing expression of slate all the way through to the finish. Thrilling in this respect. Will age. (1574 views) | | | Tasted by StefanAkiko on 6/22/2012 & rated 92 points: Friday first pour.
Non-blind. Decanted for 15 hrs.
(Non-decanted: dis-jointed and towards "ya-ya, sure, <interesting> yeah, but...")
Intense Riesling nose moving towards bitter almonds, apricot and honeysuckle.
Mellow, balanced, fantastically elegant in the mouth. Somersaulting acids in a mega complex setting of pure/precise Riesling berries, small sweetness lifting the experience, fabulous concentration ... and dry water color blocks. Long and longer.
I just knew this wine had so much more to give than at the tasting. Will buy on sight for ~8 yr cellaring. (1546 views) | | | Tasted by StefanAkiko on 6/8/2012 & rated 90 points: Mastodont: Mosel from 2009 (Hemmavid): Non-Blind. Had immediately.
Classic Mosel aromas on the nose with a candy-twist. Balanserad smak med riktigt bra syror längd. Dock håller den också på att falla ihop. Somewhat fluttering in style rather then held together. (76 views) (1934 views) | | | Tasted by David Strange on 3/15/2011: Oh this nose is engorged with delicious peachy fruit as well as lots of lovely citrus aromas. There are complex mineral notes as well which make this nose not only extremely attractive but also seriously sophisticated. I’m finding this nose deeply foxy and fanciable – it is certainly well titted-out for a Kabinett. The initial impression the palate gives is one throbbing with ripe fruit and surprising sweetness for a Kabinett. That being said, when even the smallest amount hits your stomach you can feel the raw power of its acidity attempting to burn its way to freedom. Plenty of slate mineral character shows on the palate – I am in no doubt as to the serious class this wine shows. For all its sweetness and ripe fruit there is nothing to question about its harmony either. It is alive with lewd pleasure at this young stage in its development and shows that it will have an allure-charged future ahead of it. Clearly one of the best 09 Kabinetts I’ve been lucky enough to try. (2335 views) | | | Tasted by missionpk on 2/28/2011 & rated 92 points: Wow! The nose and fruit taste are quite subtle, much less dominant than in other Kabinett wines I've had. The balance of sweetness and acidity, though, is just perfect, resulting in a wonderfully full smooth mouth feel. Quite sophisticated and would work very well as an opening wine for a formal dinner. Not sure how it will age, but I plan on buying a few more bottles to find out. (1730 views) |
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| Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) Producer web site
Until 1988 there was one Dr. H Thanisch estate. However, family members divided this into two separate estates:
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben Müller-Burggraef) (the AP# starts with 2 576 742)
* Wwe. Dr. H. Thanisch (Erben-Thanisch) (the AP# starts with 2 576 242)
If you are entering a wine from 1988 and later, PLEASE take a VERY close look at the label and consult the fine print to determine which of the two estates made your wine.
Reports from the field suggest that the first few post-split vintages are especially similar. The "Erben Müller-Burggraef" and "Erben Thanisch-Spier" are, or should be, present on the label. Erben Müller-Burggraef uses a slightly smaller label with a neck label, Erben Thanisch a larger body label and no neck label. Erben Thanisch are members of the VDP, characterized by a black eagle symbol at the bottom left of the label, and Erben Müller-Burggraef does not belong to this association.Riesling Varietal character (Appellation America) | A short history of Riesling (Uncork) | Riesling (wikipedia)KabinettLowest must sugar content of Prädikat designation resulting in light wines, typically semi-sweet with crisp acidity.Germany Wines of Germany | The Association of German Prädikat Wine Estates (VDP) | How to read a German wine label | Geographical Information Down to Single Vineyards
#2014 Vintage Notes:
2014 Vintage Report by Terry Theise
2014 Vintage Report by Wine Spectator
"My gut still tells me the Saar (and to some extent) the Ruwer are better overall in 2014 than the more storied areas of the Mosel proper, but those that spent the requisite time living in their middle-Mosel vineyards made some of the most electric and "feathery" Riesling in a long time (maybe the finest in 20 years - yes, it's true!)" - Jon Rimmerman (Of course only a very short historical memory would call the Saar and Ruwer less 'storied' than the middle Mosel - jht)Mosel Saar RuwerStarting in 2007 the German wine authorities have changed labeling laws to rename all of the Mosel-Saar-Ruwer wines to just "Mosel." This puts this and other database driven sites in a difficult spot, as millions of old wine label reflect the former labeling. As described here, CellarTracker has elected to remain with the old labeling for a number of years to avoid confusion. At some point we will switch over to just "Mosel" but not for a few years at least.
Mosel WeinKulturland (Moselwein e.V.)
Detailed geographical information at weinlagen.info
#2018 Vintage Notes:
"Acid levels are relatively low throughout Riesling-growing Europe (acidification will once again be permitted in Germany – no surprise, as that’s been the case in eight of the last 10 vintages); but because malic acid was baked off or degraded by relentlessly balmy weather means, what acid remains is overwhelmingly of the efficacious tartaric sort. Extract levels are low, as one would anticipate from a growing season during which relatively little moisture was coursing through the vine’s roots and shoots. [...] Everyone is astonished how there could have been so much juice despite the drought." - David Schildknecht
"2018 is a homogenous vintage with a very high general level, below which it seldom falls [...] It leads with blossom. It is perhaps 80% delicious and 20% fascinating." - Terry Theise
#2017 Vintage Notes:
"not so friendly towards light wines" - Milkmansteve
#2016 Vintage Notes: "Overall, 2016 is a charmer of a vintage with much immediate ripe and fruity appeal, not unlike 2011 (in fresher) or 2007 (in lighter). However, 2016 is far from being homogeneous, in fact it is composed of a mosaic of vintages, a result of the freakish growing conditions. Hidden inside the vintage, there are true gems with the balance of 1997, one of the best vintages ever, 2002 or even 2008. The bulk of the harvest was brought in with refreshingly moderate sugar levels. Overall, the Saar and Ruwer produced slightly fresher wines than the Middle Mosel but there are great differences between Estates. The good harvest conditions allowed for some Auslese, little BA and even TBA wines, but some remarkably pure and fruity Eiswein.
In general, 2016 offers the opportunity to acquire Riesling with great immediate ripe appeal: The vintage is a true charmer. At the top, 2016 is one of the most exciting and elegantly balanced vintage since the 1990s and well-worth stocking up for cellaring! In particular, we urge our readers to literally plunge onto the finest Kabinett and Spätlese: These are some of the most exciting and classic we have ever tasted. 2016 looks also set to become a major vintage for dry Riesling, provided the aromatics are not overripe. Lovers of dessert wines will find much to love in 2016 as the Auslese are pure and the Eiswein are gorgeously fruity. They should however also keep an eye open for the remaining stunning noble-sweet wines from 2015 which are still available here and there." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 36, July 2017
#2014 Vintage Notes:
"The heterogeneity of the 2014 vintage carries over onto the aging process. The top wines start to close down, as one would expect from these wines which are a remake of those from the 1990s. The wines affected by gin, saffron and mushroom flavors are still comparatively open and offer a not unattractive Scheurebe styled fruit opulence. We would opt to drink up these lesser wines except for the odd bottle and bury the little treasures of the vintage deep into the cellar." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 30, March 2016
#2013 Vintage Notes:
"The fruity-styled 2013 wines have firmed up significantly since last year and start to show signs of closing down, making the underlying acidity seemingly sharp and out of balance. The better dry wines have come out of their early armor of smoke and tannin but the acidity may prove quite challenging. Quite frankly, except for some smaller bottlings, this is a vintage to lay down and wait." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2012 Vintage Notes:
"The 2012 wines have put on some flesh and go through a 'fattier' phase which is not unlike what the 2007 went through at the same period. However, the zestier acidity cuts through this 'weight' and makes the wines thoroughly enjoyable at this early stage. In particular the fruity Kabinett and Spatlese as well as the off-dry and dry wines offer much pleasure. We expect these wines to close down over the coming year or two. Enjoy while it lasts!" - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2011 Vintage Notes:
"A bit to our surprise, the 2011 wines have shut down and go through a quite difficult and muted phase now. Their low acidity combined with their maturity makes them feel rich, opulent and often bulky, and thus not really enjoyable. We expect that these will need at least a decade to integrate their sweetness and gain in harmony. The only exception is the dry wines, whose low acidity makes for great food companionship." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2010 Vintage Notes:
"After a mellower period in 2012, many 2010 wines have firmed up and developed a stronger smoky side. However, most continue to shine through their fruit opulence, structure and deliciously zesty but ripe acidity. This suits in particular the off-dry bottlings, which have more charm than the legally dry wines. Will these wines close down? Actually, the softening acidity makes us wonder now but it also provides further evidence that these wines will turn out harmonious after all." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015
#2009 Vintage Notes:
"Most 2009 wines have closed down, which accentuates their round and soft side forward. Many can still be quite enjoyable but the times of primary fruit with its attractive aromatic expression and a generous acidic kick are now over. Except for the dry wines, we would definitely recommend keeping your hands off any bottle in your cellar and possibly buying more wines from this vintage on the market as these are true gems in the making." - Mosel Fines Wines, No. 27, March 2015 |
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