3/3/24, 12:21 PM - You might want to edit out your f word Johnny!
2/11/24, 7:02 PM - Listed $169 where??!!
2/14/24, 9:26 AM - Those were the good old days. Though I’ve probably had my best luck in “flipping” any wines with this specific one. Thinking prices had gone batshit crazy in the late 90s, I sent half a dozen of these along with a case of the ‘86 and a case of ‘86 Lafite to auction with Mike Davis in Chicago. The ‘82 Moutons brought $450 each and I thought it a brilliant move (silly boy that I was). A very short time later, taking my Mom out for her birthday dinner at a modest family steakhouse, I noticed a little cardboard stand-up ad pitching “great Bordeaux Classic Chateau Mouton 1982, $125”. I asked the waiter “do you really have this?!” and he scoffed at me “well I’m quite sure we do seeing we’re featuring it!” I asked him to see how many he had and whether I could buy them to go, making clear I’d be tipping as though he was decanting and serving each and every bottle. He sold me seven pristine bottles “to go”, I was ecstatic, my mother (certain that I had lost my mind) drank her Manhattans more enthusiastically than I’d ever seen.My last opportunity to snare a few more bottles came up just a few years ago when a wine buddy asked whether I’d be interested in procuring any ‘82 Mouton. I clearly was, though leery of what would be asked. The wines were coming via the wine steward at Oak Hill Country Club in Rochester, site of numerous PGA tournaments over the years. I was informed he was hoping to get $400 per bottle . Upon delivery I was informed he would be happy with $300 each. He wasn’t happier than me!!!Note: it was only a brief time in my youth when I flipped wines, eventually eBay killed the whole concept for me. Since then, I only buy for personal use and enjoyment. (Though the size of my cellar now indicates I’ll need to outlive the actuarial crystal ball nonsense). ‘82 Mouton never disappointed me, wish I’d never sold that case of ‘86 as it was so enormously deep, dark and rich.
12/7/23, 1:41 PM - Has it evolved beyond oak juice? This producer’s stuff gags me in its’ youth but usually mellows out absorbing the oak treatment, often into something special (if you wait seemingly forever).
12/7/23, 1:37 PM - I should be even happier as I have most of a case which I purchased for a fairly modest price back when (yes back when some of us sold wines we were disappointed with on eBay!). Stuck with it even though it was pretty muddy and disappointing in its youth. Thanks for the update!
6/3/23, 12:58 PM - So to clarify, Napa Chard and Red Bordeaux are the disappointments(??) compared to their accompanying area you pair them with???
6/2/23, 9:59 PM - Just curious what "late stage"means(?) Had the '85 Myglands a few years ago and it was spectacular (and quite youthful.
5/13/23, 1:30 PM - News flash: you shouldn’t be getting anything tertiary in a wine that all the rest of us are finding to still be quite primary and “rough around the edges”. Others are also noting “tight, taut,..” characteristics of young burgundy, not truly aged burgundy. But nothing wrong with enjoying them young (even if some of us consider it infanticide).
4/6/23, 6:27 AM - 79? Really???
3/14/23, 11:30 AM - Very dismaying note. Likely bad bottle (assuming you like fine burgundy).
3/14/23, 2:25 PM - Ouch, better luck next time (hopefully). Cheers!
2/19/23, 8:12 AM - It’s a small world! (Though it’s tough to say that after the flights from Sydney back here to Tampa). You must have boarded Noordam Saturday, just hours after we departed. It’s a good solid wine and we enjoyed it several times, especially with the lamb chops available in the specialty restaurants onboard. In addition to recommending this wine (the Silverado Cab was even better), highly recommend the shore excursions centered around wildlife. Cheers!
11/14/22, 3:09 AM - I’m confident you won’t be disappointed. Cheers!
9/25/22, 8:04 PM - This wine has been controversial for some time now. Unforgiving and at times painfully stern has been my experience with it. Haven’t had it in a few years despite having 3 or 4 bottles and a couple mags of it in the cellar. My expectations of it are so low I haven’t been tempted to retry it. Yet a few rave reviews from the Chicago crowd on here. Just noted that John Gilman, tasting from barrel, found it “similar to a second rate California Cab” in character and gave it 80 points. He was onto something right out of the gate.
9/25/22, 9:58 AM - Doesn’t appear others are having the same experience(?)
9/3/22, 8:37 PM - My pleasure! It’s delicious now but can surely go for several years yet depending on your preference for vibrant richly fruited “youth” or something more developed. Cheers!
7/5/22, 10:44 PM - Sorry, I was led astray. This is available more in the $65-$75 range.
6/29/22, 11:42 PM - I’ve found that Jadot did a great job of controlling the extremes of 2003 with their wines. Happy to see others having similar experiences. Cheers!
5/21/22, 9:10 PM - No question about it. Besides bottle variation, many people do not care for the characteristics of mature Chardonnay, essentially Chablis or the classic white burgundies (as only a handful of New World Chards have the ability to age well).
4/4/22, 4:50 AM - That was entirely true. Why such an inconvenience for your "valued customers" one is left wondering.
2/14/22, 6:16 PM - It appears from your notes (at least from your most recent couple hundred) that this might be your first taste of fine red burgundy (at age 70+). If you’d mentioned that in this note your impression of the wine might make more sense!
1/19/22, 7:20 AM - I’ve posted on this before: I heard directly from someone who represents her wine that it is definitely Lalou-B-Leroy who personally insists on this overfilling of bottles. (Not that she’s quirky or anything 🤭). Perhaps she enjoys putting us into a panic before we taste and find the wines intact, but I have never seen this in the domaine bottlings.
1/19/22, 9:19 AM - Seems a tad vulgar and objectionable to suggest she’s a cork soaker.
12/19/21, 10:16 PM - I never understand failure to decant a wine like this that throws sediment. Not at all surprising to see astringency mentioned since that is what that precipitated crud (that got sloshed around in the bottle) contains. I’ve had several bottles of that wine, all were outstanding.
9/15/21, 10:17 PM - Sounds like an “off” bottle?
9/10/21, 10:25 PM - Are you sure you even like wine?
7/16/21, 6:46 PM - Amen to that. Why pull average scores down on an excellent wine?
7/16/21, 4:47 AM - As your tasting notes show almost exclusively young Bordeaux, puzzling that you reach the conclusions you do on ageworthiness of this wine(???)
7/3/21, 12:38 PM - My label says 197 cases made!
6/11/21, 9:33 PM - You’re welcome!!!
2/27/21, 6:26 AM - Great to see this note! Tried this while visiting Senard a half dozen years ago. The only place in our visits of several houses where they sold directly to us and handled the shipping. Bought a few of these and the ‘05s. Cheers!
1/7/21, 7:49 PM - Yes, all other 60s/70s bottles from this seller have had the classic hairy mold and crud between capsule and cork. This was corked up and capped in the past 20 years.
11/11/20, 9:02 AM - I would sit on this, loads of life left yet. Cheers!
10/21/20, 7:34 PM - Congrats on the anniversary! I would be surprised if you got a bottle more recent than the “163rd” that didn’t have that stated on the label(?)
10/22/20, 5:37 AM - Got it. Cheers!
9/20/20, 9:42 PM - Hi there!My notes indicate I purchased 8 of these from “Some Good Wine” for the same price. I have a few left and will try another soon. Thanks for the hopeful note!
8/24/20, 6:52 PM - Found a half dozen of these in my cellar that weren’t logged into my CT account and blown away by the reported “value” of $435. Turns out proprietor died suddenly in 2005 and the property sold in 2006 to the business magnate who owns Bordeaux’s Chateau Latour. Crazy price must be due to rarity and nostalgia factors(?)
8/19/20, 8:36 AM - While I haven't had the same experience with Jadot reds, I have found great bottle variation in their whites. Premox is usual suspect but I have long wondered about how they're treated in transit. Several years back (when Tanzer had his own site) he expressed amazement that my '99 Jadot Corton Charlemagnes were all shot, by golly he'd just been blown away by the same wine! Turns out he was tasting at Jadot with Jacques Lardier. My original wooden 6 bottle box had to travel to Upstate NY. Not inspired to check on my 3 bottles of this BM, I'm just now dipping into the '02 Jadot village wines (Volnay, VR, GC) which are still pretty primary. I've put a couple notes on CT recently re: '02 Gouges and Rousseau village wines that are still pretty clenched. Would expect the GCs to be a good ways from ready (at least to my taste). Cheers!
7/17/20, 7:47 PM - Are we the only ones who own/drink this wine???
5/6/20, 8:06 AM - That’s a wonderful thing! Cheers!!
2/21/20, 8:02 AM - Couldn’t help but notice your line of comments. I’ve had this wine dozens of times. When very young it can seem over-carbonated, too sudsy and texturally rough. Much better with at least a couple of years to settle down, take on more complexity and offer you better mouthfeel and finish.
11/28/19, 6:39 PM - Glad to hear you loved that wine. Was it the large format bottle or a 750 (blue or black capsule)? I know there was a recent re-release of the 3L size. The different color caps on the older 750s indicated what was in them. The black caps were a blend of declassified gran crus. I loved all of them!
11/20/19, 7:28 PM - I hope it shows at least as beautifully as it did the other day!!
8/23/19, 6:36 AM - Hi John, this bottle was brought to a small group tasting by another participant. It had been decanted for sediment/clarity, stoppered up and tasted a few hours later.
8/23/19, 6:40 AM - It had the acidity characteristic of so many ‘96s but it certainly had plenty of guts to go with it. So, it didn’t seem “ready” and/or didn’t travel well (another factor too often taken lightly). Cheers!
8/13/19, 9:12 PM - Madame Bize Leroy believes in high filling of these to minimize oxygen in the bottle. It is done intentionally though I find it as annoying as anyone else. Plenty of leakers but seldom a bad bottle as a result.
5/26/19, 9:09 AM - Yeah, pretty tough score for what I’ve found to be an excellent wine! Worth fixing that injustice.
5/24/19, 5:19 PM - Agree with Floyd, often a dozen different varietals in CdP.
4/22/19, 3:48 AM - Yes, their wines can be surprisingly good at times. I've had more experience with this burgundy house than pretty much any other since our local retailer direct imported their wines for many years. Since the transfer of ownership, the old style is gone. Now it's all extraction, concentration and forests of new oak.
4/8/19, 5:31 PM - Correct, it is a village wine rather than a 1er
2/10/19, 7:29 PM - It’s hard for me to imagine that a wine is “past its prime” if it’s still drinkable two days later. What am I missing(?)
1/3/19, 11:17 AM - Hey! When you taste a wine no one else in the community has tasted nor has in their cellar, photo the label and add it to the site! Just sayin. Thanks John!!! Happy New Year to you!
11/28/18, 8:16 PM - In nearly all cases, Alsatian rieslings are more stern, dry and higher alcohol than most German rieslings.
8/6/18, 4:28 PM - I guess I was looking at what the Musar now brings at auction (shown on CT as $99). While I found it to be a nice wine, I would not pay that for it. In the same light, looks like most people’s original cost was in the mid-$40s range. Again, if we’re thinking people bought this back around 2001/2002, back then I was buying nice 1er cru burgundies for that price. So, I still wouldn’t have been buying the Musar. I guess bottom line for me is: with 4,000+ bottles in my cellar at age 60, I won’t be buying much of anything going forward. I was blessed to buy and cellar what I did, when I did. I pity those trying to find fine wine at fair prices nowadays. Not at all saying that Musar wouldn’t be a place to look for sensible wine purchases, just not my cup of tea.
7/8/18, 10:31 PM - I think we must be talking very different wines(?) Mine was very clearly 8% ETOH. Lyle’s review (Rockss &Fruit) down below with the pro reviews, has the same level noted- as is found in most German rieslings at this level, in the 8-10% range.
Thanks for letting us know about this problem. We will review your comments and be in touch soon with an update.
Search