3/30/24, 3:37 AM - Love this note - haven't tried mine yet, but you have me looking forward to it!
2/13/24, 12:17 AM - I think definitely closed down. I do like these wines, but they take ages to come around. I had a 2016 a month ago and it was the most open and intense bottle I've had. That being said, they are never full of the stuffing you might expect and hope for.
1/28/24, 11:51 AM - Oh goodness it has been a while. You could certainly do Cantonese or Japanese dishes with it. I think some of the more fragrant poultry dishes in Persian or Moroccan cuisine could also work. In Western dishes, pork would certainly be good, as would Wiener Schnitzel and anything with the sweetness of squash and sage. I remember it was less rich than Alsace PG but more complex and layered and slightly less acidic than Italian PGio. I hope this has been helpful rather than adding confusion!
11/21/23, 11:30 PM - Dog Point was much more intense I'd say and it (sort of) came around. What did help with Dog Point and would absolutely help here is cold decanting it for an hour so some of the reductive notes blow off.
11/3/23, 4:46 AM - Fantastic note and certainly has me excited for the case to arrive!
4/21/23, 11:04 AM - Just opened my first bottle and getting the varnish/nail polish note as well. To me this isn't reductive - it's just some extreme oak that's not fully integrated. That being said, eveything is very tightly wound so might just need more time.
7/16/22, 1:23 AM - Still one of the great underrated values. I'm sure you've had the Vat 1 as well, but if not, buy a case, forget about it for 15-20 years and a golden honeyed, nutty nectar will emerge.
3/20/22, 12:02 PM - I'm sorry you didn't have a great ABC. Usually this wine is very good, if not specutular or mind bending. I do think it's pricey for what it is in the UK - you can often find it for $20 in the US. The single vineyards (Bien Nacido is my favourite) are definitely worth the extra money. One caveat is that I've noticed some changes in style since about 2015. I don't know if this is climate related, winemaking, or what, but while I still enjoy ABC, for some reason it doesn't quite hit the same highs it used to for me. Where California Chardonnay is concerned, I still think it is good value.
3/22/22, 4:38 AM - I am indeed based in London, though married to a Californian funnily enough. Generally I haven't had problems with pre-ox in ABCs or other Californian Chardonnays, but there was an odd bottle that struck me last year now that you mention it. In terms of age, I've had some of the single vineyard Chardonnays at 10 years or a bit more, but I suppose that really depends if you like those rich, nutty qualities that tend to emerge. I think for Santa Barbara County Chardonnay, I'd drink up to 5 years. I currently have 10 left of the 2016 Bien Nacidos though, but they actually seem a bit closed at the moment. I tend to prefer a 'fresher' style of California Chardonnay, but of course there is always that big solar quality to many of them. Gavin Chanin is an incredible producer in SB county and sources from many of the same vineyards as ABC. A few UK stockists there. Sonoma is usually quite a bit more expensive in the UK, but have really enjoyed Chardonnays from Hirsch, Joseph Swan, and Williams Selyem. Some may be difficult to find in the UK. Thanks for the BBR recommendation! Will have to try it sometime.
1/24/22, 11:13 AM - @ProperClaret - yes completely agree. While I don't think I can call my last bottle infanticide, curiosity sometimes gets the better of patience!
10/30/21, 3:49 AM - I also stumbled upon Unti a few years back. Completely agree this has years to go. I'm not sure if you've had Masciarelli's 'Villa Gemma' Montepulciano d'Abruzzo, but this reminded me of that with a California spin. What a delightful find and thanks for the very helpful updated tasting note.
7/3/21, 2:44 AM - I wouldn't worry too much - I really liked this bottle. There is just that hint of oxidation, which I find attractive at the moment, but as soon as I sense that I'd rather drink sooner rather than later. There is so much acid (not in a bad way) that the sense of freshness is still very much there. Hope you find them!
5/25/21, 11:54 PM - I love Sebastien Brunet! I'll have to save the 2011 La Folie for you.
5/21/21, 3:57 AM - Hmmm, bearing in mind that I prefer older wines with secondary and tertiary notes, I would say I'd prefer to drink this between 2028-2034. I reckon it would certainly be easily approachable by 2024. Everyone's palate is different so best not to be overly prescriptive!
5/21/21, 12:08 AM - Hi Jake - it's been a few months since my note, but I don't recall any cooked or confected fruit. Certainly riper than usual and rather dense, but in a pleasant way. I would say my style generally veers to the austere, but I do appreciate the pleasures of a richer style.
2/14/21, 2:27 AM - I have a few bottles of this and I do often wonder how I long I need to leave it alone...
2/9/21, 11:43 PM - I did! We're both getting the Roberson mystery boxes so it will be interesting to compare notes.
12/6/20, 8:11 AM - One of my favourite Rieslings and very much one of a kind. Brilliant note - cheers!
10/26/20, 6:50 AM - I am going to steal the Nescafe description! Quite a few wines have that...
9/10/20, 12:39 AM - I wouldn't overthink it food wise, but this is not a bruiser - it's very elegant. Lamb would be lovely as would cheese. Some feathered game, like pheasant or partidge would be nice, but it won't stand up to grouse or venison.
9/6/20, 2:03 PM - Cellar this one for at least years and you will be richly rewarded. I'll let you know when I open the 2009.
8/26/20, 4:07 AM - Well I suppose you don't have an absolute year, but a rough idea. The case we had included the shipping date into the UK, which was 1990, and would assume disgorgement about 5 years previously. Apparently only one case in a pallet would have the date it went into the bonded warehouse so we were lucky there. I'm not sure if this works the same way in other countries.
8/27/20, 12:41 AM - I often find wine producing countries drink wines far younger than countries that don't produce and primarily consume. As the French say about us in the UK - 'le gout Anglais!'. As much as I love age on my wine, however, there are just as many things to love about a youthful bottle.
9/3/20, 1:24 AM - Hi 2020, it was from a 750mL standard bottle. A friend had stored this for many years and was kind enough to share it.
9/5/20, 2:21 AM - The bubbles were perhaps ever so slightly less fine, but not in a terribly obvious way. I was so captivated by the overall palate that this did not make a strong impression, but there is truth to what you're describing.
9/6/20, 1:02 AM - They were in the wine trade and had this in perfect conditions - in their commercial storage and then when they retired a custom built cellar.
8/27/20, 12:41 AM - Yes, it's very much a style thing, but I love that soft matured fruit flavour. We may be opening another this week!
6/18/20, 10:42 AM - I have the 2016 - we'll have to compare at some point!
5/30/20, 2:32 AM - Beautiful note!
5/28/20, 1:39 AM - Very useful notes, thanks. Roast chicken is always a favourite pairing with very well aged Vat 1, but any noted food pairings with this wine?
2/19/20, 12:52 AM - Hi Woody. Appreciate the comment. My comment on Marlborough was just that I find there's been an international New World SB style based on what I find to be a very reductive style pioneered in Marlborough NZ. You probably know what I'm talking about - very pithy, intense gooseberry, lots of fresh cut grass, sometimes drifting into something akin to cat-piss or really ripe green capsicum. Aggressive acidity usually follows. Of course there's lots of lovely NZSB, but the industrial style I'm describing seems to have extended its influence to many corners of the world.
10/25/19, 11:26 PM - I'd add to the age and air thing. I don't really start drinking these until they hit 20 years from vintage, but always worth seeing where it is. At this age, they need at least 24 hours of decanting. And it's perfectly possible you don't like this style - it's a divisive one, but we all like what we like so nothig wrong with that. When young, these are tart and closed with a tremendous amount of herbs.
10/19/19, 1:09 AM - Great note. Will be taking delivery of my en primeur case next year and very much look forward to it.
7/2/19, 6:49 AM - Oh I completely agree. I've had Musar's from the 70s and 80s a few years back (before I joined this site sadly) and they blew my mind. I suppose I was saying I don't think this will necessarily get better, but it sure will be a journey and the stops will all be lovely along the way. It's just so slick and silky now.
6/21/19, 12:13 AM - These do need a very long decant. The 2006 was only just released. I don't think this the best vintage - there is a simplicity to the fruit - but I do think it's more accessible young. The complexity does arrive. When you give these 20 years they really sing, but I admit the herb garden and strawberry patch stuffed with vanilla laced tobacco isn't everyone's cup of tea.
4/26/19, 12:11 PM - Brilliant note. Would you say continue to hold? I had a feeling these would put on weight with age and what you said about that happening as it opened sort of suggests that to me.
1/6/19, 2:47 AM - Aged Riesling is perhaps one my favourite wine styles. I have one bottle as well. Do you think this is worth keeping for several more years? I didn't taste it at the vineyard and wasn't sure if the acidity was there to support long term development.
1/2/19, 9:54 AM - Happy New Year to you too! We decanted it for about 2 hours. I never really drink Musar younger than 10 years, but wine merchant friends of ours brought a bottle just to sample and see where it was. I'd definitely buy a case and forget about it for at least another 8 years.
8/28/18, 11:42 PM - Thanks!
7/10/18, 1:13 PM - 2005 across the Left Bank needs time. I just started to open a few cru bourgeois and they are pretty youthful, reticent even. They need at least 8 hours of decanting. I have a case of this I won't open until 2020. 2022 should be ok, but these will go well into the 2030s I reckon and probably improve through then. Even in 2022, I would do a long (at least four hour) decant.
6/9/18, 4:56 AM - Treat it like a Cornas. I think these are in an awkward teenage stage and will sort themselves out in a few years.
5/6/18, 8:01 AM - I preferred the Caillotes as well, but I think the Mont Damnes will age spectactularly. Quite closed at the moment and more vegetal than mineral. I think at least 6 years will do wonders.
5/6/18, 7:57 AM - Give it another 10 years. Quite closed now and agree there is a reticence that shows as lack of character.
4/14/18, 9:01 AM - What a lovely story! Thank you for sharing Martin.
3/30/18, 1:47 AM - What a lovely note. I agree that the 05 is completely different to the 06 but each stand on their own merits. My sense is that 05 is more forward and 06 needs far more time, but both are going to be around for a long while. Not sure what your thoughts are? Btw, lovely to see someone who is into older vintages!
2/10/18, 11:44 AM - I'd be patient. The 05 Clarets are so concentrated and tannic that I wouldn't consider opening a classed growth until 2020 a the earliest. I've opened a few Cru Bourgeois and even those are very youthful and need a four hour decant. This is one of those vintages like 1982 that will just go forever. I remember trying an 82 in 2012 and it drank like a 10 year old wine.
12/15/17, 10:11 PM - Beautiful note
12/14/17, 10:24 AM - Why thank you Magnum. I tend to like old Loire Chenin's so take my thoughts on this being young with a grain of salt. If you tend to like a less fruit driven style it's absolutely worth keeping a bottle for at least 10 years though.
9/16/17, 4:27 AM - I think about 6 hours?
8/10/17, 10:15 AM - I agree with Grantsky. 2004 is a fantastic year, but one showing a more traditional profile. This was a more austere vintage, but I think the mature stage of these wines will be top notch. The 2005s are being released now and my merchant says those are much more open in style. I'm waiting another 5 years before I open my next bottle. Tondonias last practically forever.
6/16/17, 7:19 AM - His Chardonnays are just stunning, and while not cheap, I think offer tremendous value compared to similar quality and style in Burgundy.
5/20/17, 5:09 AM - This a fantastic note that is a joy to read. I'm keeping my last bottle at least 5 years, perhaps longer.
3/20/17, 2:14 PM - I think these are in a teenage stage. The 2005's are structured to a fault, at least for drinking classed growths young. I would wait to 2020 for any classed growth. Even the Cru Bourgeois are tight and uncooperative.
3/18/17, 2:14 AM - I would agree. I'm not even touching mine for a another 3 years. Such a bargain and don't want the secret to spread! Capbern Gasqueton is another bargain claret if you like Senejac.
1/2/17, 2:53 AM - If you like this style, try some of the rieslings from Clare Valley in Australia. Grosset and Henschke are particularly good. Also, try the wines of Donhoff from the Nahe in Germany. It will really change your mind about German riesling!
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