4/28/24, 9:34 AM - Glad if any of this is of help!
4/11/24, 12:49 PM - Sure thing—"Northern Rhone."
2/12/24, 6:34 PM - Sounds compromised to me. Sad!
2/4/24, 7:26 PM - Ha! The fruit never returns once gone, that's my experience + science ;)
2/4/24, 8:56 PM - The fruit is fading, so once tannins get even more mellow it will be a sad wine, in my opinion ;)
1/22/24, 6:13 AM - It was in a great place after two hours!
9/13/23, 11:06 AM - My last experience is that it was truly shining after 2 hours of decanting and kept evolving through the night. Can't go wrong, and boy I envy your patience, nicely done! ;)
9/6/23, 7:25 PM - Very helpful TN, thanks!
9/4/23, 2:15 PM - Tasted throughout 2+ hours of decanting, thanks for sharing your thoughts though!
8/21/23, 2:26 PM - Pretty slow, agreed. Would you be able to enjoy it with some decanting? Most likely yes. Would you be impressed relative to expectations and where it should be 10 years from now? Most likely no.
8/21/23, 6:15 PM - @ Hendmo: Good question! I think there is plenty of acidity and tannins to last for years to come (given that it's 17 years out already). What I am less certain about is how much complexity and tertiary notes this will yield in 10+ years, i.e., it has to be more than currently, but what exactly is to be seen! I just wished I had multiple lives to experience these evolutions LOL
8/21/23, 7:20 PM - No crystal ball here, Mark. Depending on how many bottles you have, taste and track the evolution over time---your call will be as good as anyone's here! ;)
4/22/23, 5:11 PM - Why only 88 then?
7/31/22, 3:58 PM - I hear you. If it makes it any easier for you—I paid closer to $95 :D
7/31/22, 5:51 PM - Okay, you “win”! LOL
7/4/22, 9:52 AM - Sure, bsinclair. I had in mind good Brunellos (e.g., La Serena, Poggio di Sotto is my all-time favorite) and Barbarescos (e.g., Produttori del Barbaresco Barbaresco Riservas).
4/3/22, 5:59 PM - Helpful, thanks!
2/8/22, 10:50 AM - Ouch, thank you for the helpful TN! Glad I checked CT before deciding to purchase (not my style, clearly).
12/13/21, 2:44 PM - Did decant, thank you for asking. Take my TN for what it is, a tasting note. If your experience is different, that's informative but doesn't mean my experience has to be the same as yours.
12/14/21, 4:59 PM - Sure, you are free to have your methods. I have my own after 20+ years and thousands of tastings. Please share your TNs and move on. Also, instead of attacking take the time to review the TNs more closely next time, my June 13, 2020 TN was over several nights and consistent with this 2019 note: "This is not a particularly good or memorable GSM, especially given a nearly $40 price tag. It's fruity and ripe, with at most low-to-moderate acidity and barely detectable complexity. Tasted over several nights with no real evolution. I wouldn't buy it again, frankly."
8/10/21, 12:29 AM - I didn’t get a sense it was corked, just not paricularly well made with some greenish notes on 2nd day. Surprising to me given how much positive experience I have had with SA wines. This was a local purchase at Maui, so it’s always possible it’s a one-off, etc.
8/13/21, 12:52 AM - More TNs should help fo sure.
8/14/21, 11:39 PM - Good plan, keep us posted!
4/6/21, 3:01 PM - The quality certainly spans multiple vintages. A bottle from 2010 was terrific, even if still too young, back in 2019, per my notes and memory.
3/13/21, 7:06 PM - Agreed!
11/6/20, 7:27 PM - Thanks for your comment, srh! Regarding the additional cellar time, this could easily use 5 more years and I'm not convinced it will be at its peak; waiting for 10 more years would be ideal. As for your article, I've finally figured out how to access it---the one I'm seeing was last updated by you on April 20 :)
10/21/20, 7:32 AM - I gave it two hours of decanting, revisited after 4 hours as well.
10/21/20, 9:21 AM - Sure thing and, likewise, thank you for commenting!
10/10/20, 7:44 PM - srh, thanks so much for your comment! I have just checked K&L and you are spot on, their pricing is excellent (I've placed an order for the 2016 Domaine Eden Chardonnay along with the Cabernet, which is more pricey but still a terrific value relative to the "Estate" bottling). I will look up your article that you've referenced, it's been extra busy and hectic for me recently, hoping to catch up more fully in November.
10/10/20, 12:20 PM - Well said, srh.
8/25/20, 3:27 PM - Reads like a poem or a song, thank you for that.
7/5/20, 10:43 AM - Sure thing. In this case, plenty of (great) acidity cuts through meat fats nicely; it would pair nicely with many, if not most, pizzas as well. Too much sweetness in a meat sauce (say, BBQ sauce for baby back ribs), however, might clash with the dryness of this Rioja (depends on how one likes it, I guess).
4/23/20, 7:18 PM - Hey Chris, what exactly is your point? I'm not sure I'm following. My bottles have been in temperature and humidity controlled storage from release.
4/26/20, 8:33 PM - Hi Chris, I appreciate your taking the time to respond and provide more context for you thinking. I fear you are overreacting, however. I've tasted extensively over the years (nearly 1,400 tasting notes on CT alone and that's just a fraction of my historical tastings), so I stand behind every TN I post. I also happen to be a big fan of Dunn's wines, especially Howell Mountain. Put differently, when I state that I have experienced some bottle variation with this particular bottle vintage, it is exactly that: my conclusion is based on the projections and inferences from many prior tastings, including those of Dunn's top-notch wines. Whether that's the absolute truth or not is besides the point, check out other TNs and post your own, that's the beauty of the Cellartracker community, in my opinion: no single TN determines what's in the eye of beholder. Cheers, and may your own notes be as helpful and informative as you'd like others to be.
3/27/20, 8:07 AM - I recommend focusing on the substance of the TNs and much less so on numerical scores as those tend to be arbitrary reflecting different scales and tasting philosophies. In this/my case, 90 points is for the quality of the grapes that is evident to me.
2/23/20, 4:27 PM - Sounds like some of my prior vintages’ TNs of this beauty, thanks for the early take on this vintage!
2/23/20, 4:06 PM - 2014 is a softer vintage, but even the previous few vintages of Chappellet tasted too ripe and weak/unstructured to me (better than the 2014 vintage though). Stylistically, I prefer Corison and Dunn these days if we talk Napa, not to mention a plethora of great options from Italy, France, and Spain in this price range.
12/14/19, 4:59 PM - My experience too with this vintage. Yuck!
10/26/19, 3:55 PM - You make it sound so simple, I might do just that! :)
10/27/19, 5:31 PM - Mark1npt, somehow you know me well! LOL
10/10/19, 8:58 PM - @ tc from santee: I'm tempted to argue that I've tasted more PS as well as Zinfandel-PS blends than you have over the last 20 years, but that would be as unconstructive as your comment. And no, Cabs are not among my most preferred reds. If you don't like a TN, move on and post your own.
8/10/19, 12:57 PM - Thanks, Mark1npt, that's good to know. I've had less bottle variation or maybe simply more consistent tasting experience with Carlisle and Bedrock Zins.
8/15/19, 6:29 PM - Mark1npt, thanks much for sharing your tasting experience, that's the best part of CT community, in my opinion (getting the benefit of multiple reference points and TNs by others). My experience with Turley over the last five vintages has been a bit different from yours: some bottle variation (e.g., 2014 Turley Zinfandel Dragon Vineyard and 2014 Turley Zinfandel Estate), but perhaps most off-putting to me has been the overly fruity and alcoholic style of Turley Zins (are they ever below 15.6% alc? Not in my experience). As for Carlisle Papera, the 2016 might be simply too young: I scored 93 points consistently tasting multiple bottles of the 2014 and 2015 Carlisle Papera (in 2018 and very early 2019), excellent and top-notch juice, in my opinion.
8/15/19, 9:49 PM - Good to know, thanks. For what it's worth I've tasted Mead, Ueberroth, Rattlesnake, and Hayne from Turley over the years, and I haven't been particularly impressed (my scores have clustered around 90-91 pts).
7/8/19, 8:59 PM - Worth cellaring further for sure.
5/17/19, 7:43 PM - This is an odd tasting note, quite frankly. What exactly are your reference points, especially at this price point (around $25, in my case)? This is surely not a Gran Reserva Rioja from LRA or other reputable producers (which cost meaningfully more), but after having tasted 11 bottles over the last 2-3 years, I find this one to be a pretty good value and my go-to workday Rioja (that requires some decanting and patience); pairs nicely with pizza and pasta dishes. Also, your references to "badly integrated alcohol, and much darker (as opposed to red) fruit" is close to the opposite of what I tasted over several hours of decanting with virtually every bottle I've tasted from this vintage so far, and I'm pretty sensitive to high alcohol and fruit bombs, more generally.
5/19/19, 3:49 PM - Interesting. I had multiple bottles of the 2007 vintage back in 2017-2018 and I don’t find the 2008 to be materially worse than the 2007 bottling, the two are fairly comparable. But I don’t mean to discourage anyone from sharing their TNs, so thanks for posting your note.
5/13/19, 7:03 PM - @ Vinomazing: I'm glad if any of my tasting musings are of any help, that's precisely the aspect of CT that has always appealed to me, i.e., sharing our tasting experiences for the greater good!
11/15/18, 7:12 PM - This one is excellent, worth buying more for sure in hindsight. I haven't tasted the 2007 as extensively as the 2010 vintage, but there are some real gems from that vintage, I agree; I've also tasted some real duds from 2007, with too much ripeness and little backbone though.
10/25/18, 1:03 PM - Glad my note is of help, thanks!
9/8/18, 1:41 PM - It certainly does; very good article, btw.
9/3/18, 1:04 PM - Thanks, Mark1npt. Alcohol tends to overpower at room temp, at least to my taste, in wines that have 15+% alc. Turleys, in particular, tend to be around 15.5-16.0%. I typically decant at cellar temp for several hours prior to tasting in earnest; that way I get all the benefits of extra oxidation/breathing without having to bring the wine temp too high.
9/3/18, 8:38 PM - @Mark1npt: ultimately, it's up to you to decide what you like best, obviously. I'd encourage you, however, to study a few of your favorite Zins at varying temps after having decanted for a fixed period of time (two hours or longer tends to hit a sweet spot for powerful young Zins, in my experience).
9/4/18, 10:01 AM - Thanks, Mark1npt. I understand your point better now. I say you continue to enjoy Turleys the way you enjoy them the most. After all, there is no exact science behind our differences in tastes and preferences!
9/3/18, 9:10 PM - Very well captured and summarized. A great TN that fully resonates with my thoughts from and experience of tasting this wine across multiple vintages.
6/25/18, 8:01 PM - @Pontifax: it has become pretty expensive here in US too (I paid around $115 a bottle in January 2017 for this).
2/23/18, 9:08 AM - I should clarify or rather supplement my TN. Yes, Petite Sirah generally starts to become approachable only with years of cellaring. This one, however, had neither any meaningful structure nor any signs of great promise.
2/22/18, 9:35 AM - That's a possibility, of course. But the two 92-score CT reviews from Jan-Feb of this year seem to suggest that the bottle variation could be at play too.
2/21/18, 9:58 PM - My second bottle tasted very similar to your note. I wonder if there is some significant bottle variation with this wine/vintage.
2/19/18, 10:35 AM - @epiphany, it did not taste past its peak to me, so it should continue to develop for several years, I would think.
9/19/17, 10:43 AM - I am hopeful that's the case, jdponfil, as I have three more bottles. I am generally capable of seeing (or rather tasting?) bright future for young yet promising wines, but I am sure I get it wrong at times. In any case, thank you for your comment!
9/22/17, 11:18 AM - Waiting until maturity, even if it's well defined, is optimal for enjoyment but not for long-term planning and sampling of various styles.
9/24/17, 5:36 PM - @ jdponfil, thanks for your comment. I am a big fan of doing what makes most sense given an individual's circumstances and preferences. What fits you is not what fits me here, at least in terms of drinking philosophy. I like to taste my wines at different stages and, as I previously stated, I am generally good at detecting great potential. With CDPs, I have a long history of tastings, including many well-aged ones, prior to my CT notes; CDPs used to be my favorite wines but not any more for a number of years.
8/11/17, 6:47 PM - @ nocoretiree: Thanks. I am glad to hear there is some consistency in our collective tasting experiences!
7/31/17, 5:47 PM - Motz, would you care to provide a few examples of Bordeaux and Barbaresco in this price range that you'd recommend? I am not at all questioning your suggestion, just curious to see if I can expand my choice set, etc. I agree on Bordeaux, but Barbarescos, in my experience, are a different beast in terms of taste profile and longer cellaring necessary for them to shine relative to many Napa cabs.
7/31/17, 7:59 PM - Thanks, Motz! I very much enjoyed the Produttori del Barbaresco (2010 vintage) back in April this year. Do you generally source from a local retailer or a nationwide online retailer when it comes to wines from France/Italy? For me, being on the east coast, it's a mix of both, with the online purchasing dominating (e.g., B-21).
7/31/17, 10:02 PM - Thanks again, Motz. I'll seek the other vintages you mentioned.
7/16/17, 8:51 PM - @ Franklin 10, hi there. I guess it's about who is more lazy, the OP or the readers. Either way, here is my original note that I referenced: "Drinks really well right now, especially after 30-60 minutes of decanting. Has plenty of fruit, in my opinion, but not in a typical Napa-like in-your-face style. Lots of clove and dark berries on the palate. A distinctly Napa's take on Bordeaux but well done and consistent with prior vintages. Glad I have five more bottles."
7/16/17, 8:55 PM - As long as we are on the subject, I've just come back from a two-week visit to Napa and Sonoma. Among other things, I've visited the Anderson's Conn Valley winery and met the winemaker, Robert, in person. He was thoughtful and passionate about the wines he makes; worth keeping track of the winery and the wines, in my opinion, at least for several more vintages out.
7/17/17, 5:12 PM - Thanks, Franklin 10. No insult was taken, no worries. I understand and respect your perspective on TNs, I am simply of a different opinion on that. There needs to be a balance between the time and effort spent by those who post the notes and those who read/consume them (most of us here wear both of these hats, obviously). Looking up a prior note that is referenced in the current note should generally not take more than a few seconds/clicks, which seems fair to me. Also, I wouldn't want to create an incentive for TN posters to only provide numeric scores without any notes or references to prior notes (which a policy of always including full notes would create). P.S. Glad to hear you enjoyed your winery visit few years ago!!
6/4/17, 2:41 PM - @ jasonchaas: This is interesting. I wish I learned of this vintage chart sooner, thanks for pointing that out! My point of reference was the 2010 Chateau de Beaucastel, which is still a baby but is already highly impressive. In any case, I've changed my rating to NR and updated my review with the reference to your link.
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