4/30/24, 10:41 PM - Your observations are spot on - still yet
4/24/24, 10:19 AM - Hahaha - yep you pegged it - I’m a wine hoarder - I need to update my “cellar” - in quotations because it is actually a climate controlled above ground closet- your case of Produttori ‘19 is a lovely purchase allowing you if you haven’t already done so ( it took me years to commit to case purchases ) to follow a wine through its evolution. My strategy of drinking this one in its relative youth owes to its nice fresh florals and red fruitedness without overbearing tannins and acids. If you haven’t yet been able to follow nebbiolos through their aging arch they - just like other wines - undergo gradual decay of fresher notes just as the wine’s tannins polymerize softening into a velvety creamy texture accompanied then by whatever freshness is left detectable amongst the lovely themselves secondary and tertiary elements of organic decay which emerge and eventually come to the fore alongside umami savoriness of balsamico and soy in nebbs as with many other red wines. I have found that wines which come to the house possessing nice brightness and freshness and character without excessive tannic or acid harshness necessitating time in bottle to settle down and evolve are most enjoyable in their relative youth which for a nebb like this one in a cellar would be idk maybe single digit years. All that said this Produttori properly cellared will be sure to please - albeit differently- well beyond a decade. Thanks for the feedback- winegeeks are a rare breed especially here in Dixie’s Anus.
4/24/24, 7:18 AM - Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughtful granular insights and kudos for the accompaniment nod. Winegeekdom communiques often include table partners in the diction but music lovers like us also routinely have tunes filling the space helping sculpt the sensoryscape too- so bravo.
4/6/24, 8:37 AM - Just read and appreciated your impassioned description of the whole drinking experience surrounding what turned out to be and I’ll use your apt terminology a discussion worthy wine. So wonderfully descriptive and translatable to other elders I have had the joy to imbibe - I feel as though I have the Ste Michelle in my imaginary glass now. I have still cellared and have drank some 70’s and 80’s Calcabs and a scarce few Wash staters through the years - some discussion worthy others disappointingly not but I guess that is part of the thrill ride. Great work- great community - made that by wine lovers who contribute such fine emotion-filled observations - so much more valuable than the punditry’s contributions - and it’s the prose not the number that gets real traction. Thanks again for sharing your vinous experience.
4/6/24, 6:07 PM - Praise well-deserved; I’ll check those wines you noted that live on and truly so in memories as after the juice goes down the gullet and into the toilet all that is left is the memory of the wine and the setting and the grub and the company and…. My reflections are typically alcohol affected barely comprehensible globs of exhaustingly fragmentary brevity on wines I chronically voluntarily leave unscored as the number says so little while the adjectives are the crux as you and other valuable CT contributors so generously share. Keep up the good work. Prost - my German friend would say to Noroc ( another new one for me )
4/6/24, 8:59 PM - Yep- The Old Breed - you too must have read that gruesome chilling granular expose’ of real life war experience - should be required reading of all humans - might would diminish the appetite for such - at least help raise the threshold for waging war - even necessary ones. And oh yep should you as Dylan put it find yourself “stuck inside of Mobile” should your car break down en route to Florida or your flight to New Orleans gets diverted to Mobile or whatnot because just like the ancestors of the better half of our city’s citizenry nobody comes to Dixie’s Anus on their on volition. However abso should you find yourself saddled with the misfortune of being in Dixie’s Anus (Alabama State motto “The Heart of Dixie” thus Mobile the anus) we have a cellar a needin’ a good raidin’.
2/25/24, 10:05 PM - Screaming beauty from corkpull - I see no need for air/decant - certainly has the stuffing to hangout on counter or cellar or frig without rapidly losing its appeal
2/5/24, 11:51 AM - Nice note - thanks for taking the time to share - we have been smitten with the unusually complete base Brut Reserve cuvee from this maker and were thinking of swimming upstream - your note suggests it will be a worthwhile endeavor
2/1/24, 5:14 PM - Nailed it
1/15/24, 1:57 PM - Nice review - the emotive style sticks like glue
10/3/23, 7:49 PM - Stumbled onto your Clape Cornas ‘20 note and had to read further for the entertainment and salient information intermixed with tangents that speak directly to this ADD flight of ideas rabbit hole aficionado - got down to the Commando G note and the discussion of vessels and thought I would pipe in about Josephine Hutte glassware from the Zalto fellow who as I understand it left the company he built and bought an old glass factory in Germany and is now making glassware that pushes the envelope further still. I currently use Gabriel handblowns red universal ( most akin in shape and volume to Reidel cab or shiraz glasses ) and Conterno’s Sensory balloons. Huitte has 4 glasses #1 for white , #2 universal , #3 red balloony, #4 sparkler. If you have access to these in Australia I think you would have fun dissecting wines and vessels to see which combination brings out the features of any particular wine that speaks to your tastes. We sure had fun and have sets coming. Cheers and keep up the highly entertaining notes - they are appreciated.
9/21/23, 12:15 PM - Agee totally - though I haven’t yet had the wine - with your assessment of pootin.
8/7/23, 10:40 AM - It would appear to me to be lacking the stuffing to reward aging
5/30/23, 1:13 PM - Nice report. Thanks. I was considering this wine and will pass now. Pundit scores and adjectives are at times helpful and consistent with my take but real drinkers’ experiences and candid unbiased opinions I find even more valuable. Thanks for taking the time to levy yours.
4/6/23, 5:18 AM - Insightful helpfully detailed and extraordinarily entertaining review - keep up the good playwork
3/8/23, 9:55 PM - Right on
2/19/23, 1:54 PM - Great note. Descriptions of this sort from unbiased community members are invaluable. My wife and I are visiting Sardinia this summer and would like to introduce our palates to some of the wines and varietals and styles we will encounter as we forage around. Any further insights appreciated.
2/6/23, 3:51 PM - Thanks for taking the time and effort to share your insights and experiences. Your evaluations are thoroughly descriptive and very well-written providing readers with a better sense of what is in the bottle. I fortuitously stumbled on your frankly amazing take on 2016 CdP’s. Contributions of this sort are priceless and unparalleled in the professional wine press no less.
2/6/23, 6:16 PM - Hahaha. You get to the point in the manner the subject and its acolytes seek. The reduction of a piece of gustatory art to a point system is absurd. Like Miles’ ESP spinning now; placing a number on this piece of music history as his youth-filled second quintet takes his lead and expounds. There isn’t a number to describe it. It requires context and appreciation. Someday hopefully we can ditch the number system and rely instead on learned voices sharing their experiences in crystalline prose as you painstakingly do. Thanks again. I am tuning in to your CT channel.
9/29/22, 7:54 PM - Oops. Thanks. I’ll try to put the note in the blanc space - things that happen when drinking?
8/25/22, 9:31 AM - Nice helpful notes on this the Jarrons and the Narbantons too as I consider a purchase of them - thanks for taking the time to pen such detailed information
8/24/22, 6:12 AM - Very nice note. I agree that CdN is making great wine. My cellar goes back to ‘07 Tenuta Nuova which not surprisingly remains a stellar wine on a long arch. Plucked a ‘17 regular brunello from a wine list in Verona and it was quite a nice surprise demonstrating while certainly the warmth and ripeness of the vintage was thematic nonetheless also fresher cooler undertones exist in tge profile more than anticipated and really the wine was not embarrassed to stand alongside the ‘16 Tenuta Nuova. The optical sorter you noted -btw a detail I much appreciated - may be partly responsible along with all the other correct stuff they are doing. Someday a Cerretalto!! O and last thought - seems as though you know the producer well so maybe you know their Pietradonice also but if not based on a bottle of ‘16 it is a fine if frightfully tannic example of cabernet. Cheers
7/7/22, 8:34 AM - I went a case into this wine blindly. It is a weird wine - so so bitter - your note was hilariously en pointe. Bravo. My note serves as a merely flatterous imitation.
10/6/21, 9:59 PM - Thanks for the heads up. I may pull the cork on my last 2 soon. Love the tobacco notes - I’m a sucker for leather and tobacco and roasted earthdirt - from grapes?!
5/24/21, 7:15 AM - Saved a glass for the following day and as much as this might approximate decanting it did not change the profile of this wine so much. It’s youthful and well-stuffed so it was no great surprise the next day to find essentially the same wine in the glass. Solid well-made wine from nice grapes and nice terroir and nice ripe vintage that obviously tickles the fancy of pundits more than it tickled mine. Not a diss just different levels of appreciation for different styles. My sangiovese preferences lean to the cooler expressions in brunello. Cheers
4/3/21, 5:56 AM - I see you liked the 95 Pavie Macquin too. It is a shame that some wines have to carry the balls and chains of reputation however inaccurate rather than be judged on merit. This wine as you may know was the first made by Nicolas Thienpont at Pavie Macquin and as the newly acquired property where the owners where a bit cash strapped they admittedly pushed yields up in an effort to balance the books. While no legendary statuesque bdx I think the wine proves its meddle far beyond the meagar scores awarded by the press who I think expected less due to the medium weight and the known high yields. Like Pichon Lalande ‘90 - a writer has a bad day and disses the wine and forever the wine is saddled with this “79RP” moniker. O well cheers to us who have a few of these underrated beauties.
12/12/20, 11:38 AM - Nice note and spot on w my observations today of a bottle purchased at release and stored in a 55 deg cellar
7/10/17, 3:02 AM - Nice review - really hits the essence - succinctly thorough- bravo
9/3/14, 6:09 PM - Had a case to start and have been visiting it maybe annually over the past few years (7 bottles left); certainly I want there to be promise for the remainder but this wine even as a barolo struck me as hard and tannic since popping the first cork a few years ago (though just from memory as no notes). While a gutsy 14%+ alc dark chocolate and coffee imbued merlot from Fronsac is being enjoyed right now I think I just like the pinot-esque feminine expression of nebbiolo and 1997 was reported to be a rather warm and ripe vintage perhaps serving to coax the roasted panoply of features in many vineyards and their resulting wines.
12/11/13, 6:25 AM - Agree, hard charmless wine. Another miss by the cognoscenti
12/2/13, 7:51 AM - Thanks for reviewing this one. I think I'll get some as Zachy's has it for 28$/ btl now on Cyber Monday - if you need a reload check it out.
7/29/13, 2:43 PM - Your experienced concise notes on this special tasting are a real treasure for those of us who can only dream of such a tasting. Thanks for sharing. They serve as a valuable guide to us who pick at the edges of the extreme market when possible and want to make the most of our trophy purchases. Based on your notes perhaps some right bank 02's will find their way into my cellar.
4/29/13, 8:47 AM - Had this in London at The Square after a week of burgs in Paris and this Stelvin topped beaut outwowwed the angular frenchies. Looking for more. Do you have a source?
2/20/13, 5:55 PM - had this one tonight and wrote it up as excitedly but alas less detailed and eloquent as you have already done; great juice
2/20/13, 1:27 PM - I agree! This is beautiful juice. I bought a case while in Montalcino last summer. Premier Cru had the '07 for <60$ (tempting me to add another case to the cellar) but I see they are out now. Wine Searcher it. Also consider Altesino's Montosoli - my fav BdM; open for business but less ripe in style than the Neri Nuova - more floral, red fruits and spice.
2/20/13, 1:14 PM - Love this stuff. I bought 18 btls for 69 per back in say 2002 and drank about a six pack like water shortly after its arrival. Then prices for this and all madeira jumped and now I'm gonna drink the rest more patiently.
2/20/13, 11:01 AM - Thanks for bringing this wine back from the depths of my cellar. I will pull the cork on one soon to see how it has held up in my cellar. No notes but I recall being struck by well-stuffed tobacco notes in its youth.
1/17/13, 2:59 PM - Great assessment. I agree. I like Adelsheim's approach; forsaking a degree of alcohol and a shade of darker pigment and the certain to follow 2-4 pundit pts by picking earlier than the now standard late picking; the result is a more interesting wine though it may not grab the multiple taster by the throat.
1/15/13, 4:53 PM - Too bad. Hopefully storage or some other variable spoiled the result. I've a case that has been only recently breached and showed splendidly as I recall.
1/15/13, 4:45 PM - Amazing stuff! As beguiling and complex as any madeira.
1/14/13, 9:49 PM - Had a bottle of the more recently bottled New Orleans cuvee and it was aromatically beguiling as only madeira can be but in the end a little linear on the palate when compared to other vintage dated stuff I have had the pleasure to consume.
1/14/13, 9:42 PM - This is great juice. Re-upped with '07 on the strength of the last of my '97's showing at 15 yrs of age. The 07 is more from the modern camp (1% more alc) and will in my opinion never measure up to the what is now legendary qpr to me '97 Fontodi.
1/14/13, 9:11 PM - Too bad. Got some 750's better pull a cork; will report
1/14/13, 9:09 PM - Same take here.
1/14/13, 9:08 PM - Shhhh! This property must remain a secret as it has for some decades now. Unbelievably this is not a cult cab. I guess they make this wine to be enjoyed by the bottlefull not the mouthful.
1/14/13, 9:02 PM - Great to hear as I have a few and have only toyed elsewhere with my 2000 bdx stash.
1/14/13, 8:56 PM - Nicely put and agree in spades
1/14/13, 8:53 PM - One of the few direct contrasts in wine pairings has been the deadening of any other attribute metallic palatal assault when old (I assume low acid overly ripened) Calchards are drank with sea creatures of any stripe. Perhaps the iodine in the aquatic beasts is unleashed unpleasantly on the palate. Anyway lots of experience here with old Kistlers and I now either pair them with pork or chicken or cream/dairy based meals or simply enjoy them alone.
1/14/13, 8:39 PM - Great news!? Hopefully my lone bottle will perform like this one. It is said to havebeen sourced recently from the Jaboulet cellars.
1/14/13, 8:35 PM - Got one. Will yank the cork soon and report. As a few sangiovese-based wines from '97 have attested they can stand up to some cellar time. Point in fact being the tart beguilingly scented Fontodi CC which has outshown its stablemates and other "parkerized" wines from '97. Perhaps the media darling Tignanello is yet another victim - or rather it is us that are victims?
1/14/13, 8:25 PM - Hopefully night 4's performance gives a clue to the foundations of this wine. It is obvious to compare to CdP and as such I recently found this wine to be a focused counterexpression of an all too commonly disjointed commune.
1/14/13, 8:17 PM - Glad to hear as I have multiples; and I especially appreciate your observation about being as " clean as a whistle" ; Brettanomyces growth and overly ripe funk of various sorts are but pimples on the face of an otherwise beaut; they are not the focus of the beauty but rather a detractor.
1/14/13, 7:49 PM - Wow. Great news. Looking forward to pulling a cork on this one. 86 Bdx is the bomb.
1/14/13, 7:59 PM - Wow. Great news. Looking forward to pulling a cork on this one. 86 Bdx is the bomb. My first - a Gruaud Larose drank ~10 years ago taught me the value of structure and stuffing. To have raspberry-soaked tobacco smoked in a leather pipe in a cedar closet while chowing on short ribs in New Orleans - maybe the absinthe took me away.
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