4/26/24, 1:56 PM - Bottle shock be damned! One needed to be sacrificed in the name of science! Thank you for stepping up.
4/20/24, 6:51 AM - YackMan - I agree completely. I see too may 100 point ratings. I do pay attention though if multiple sources are rating that highly and many times they have access early when I am making decisions as to what I want to purchase. I do like the fact that WS is the only that tastes blind and I feel like they are a little more conservative with their scores as a result. At the end of the day, the ratings on CT is what I pay the most attention to. I flag folks with similar likes and takes on wines as me (you being one) and give a lot more credence to these reviews than I do the critics. Lastly, I agree on the '19 vintage. It came out of the gates quickly and now I find a lot of variation by producer as to which are shut down and those that are still open for business.
4/19/24, 5:36 AM - Thanks for the note Mark. Wish I had read it BEFORE I ordered a case! ha ha I thought the 2020 vintage of this was very good. I, like you though, like my wines big - whether red or white. Wonder why such a high rating from WS on this vintage (95)?
4/19/24, 6:09 AM - Nice insights. I fell in love with this wine for similar reasons. A friend gave to me to try and I was confused too - tasted like a nice creamy chardonnay that was light and airy at the same time. In the glass though, it was very light so where was all that texture coming from? I asked "you have to tell me the name of this Chardonnay?". I was shocked when he said it was a SB as I am usually not a fan. Let's hope these fatten up a little over time. If not, I'll pop them for guests! :-)
4/16/24, 8:57 AM - I agree as well. Think we are in that "in-between" stage for the 19s right now and should probably let them lay down for a while.
4/9/24, 5:38 AM - Good to know this improved with time for you. This was a PnP for me and we finished it around the 2 hour mark so really didnt give it enough air to develop further.
4/8/24, 3:40 PM - I bought 6 of these - dad gum it. These Negoce wines can be hit and miss. They are great deals when they "hit". Will let these lay down and "hope" like you say. Thanks for the note
4/7/24, 2:28 PM - Yack Man - great questions. I too am not real fond of 2018 in general. And I too used to purchase this from time to time about 10 yeras ago. Then the priced creeped up and I just felt there were better options for the money. I got this in secondary market at a good price and so I decided to give it another try. Unfortunately, it did not hit the mark for me. Not sure if it was just an off bottle as I only got one.
3/7/24, 2:18 PM - Whenever I have an experience that is so different that what others are posting (particularly folks I follow and who have similar tastes as me) I do not rate the wine. Could just be that I had an off bottle. Could be my taste buds were off that night...who knows. I would have rated this 90. Thats not bad at all. But definitely lower than a Mike Smith NV typical bottling. I have close to a case to go of these. I think they will come around. The '18s FINALLY have started to come around!
2/26/24, 5:32 AM - I am hoping maybe I had an off-bottle or that these will get better. I will wait and see what others think before I revisit.
2/20/24, 2:16 PM - Had my first '19 back in November and loved it. Kamen is so consistent. Unfortunately, their price is really ticking up! This is a case though where it is worth it. Just stinks that the secret is out. :-)
1/16/24, 3:29 PM - Blarmston - I thought your post was hilarious.I have also noticed the meteoric rise in the price of Myriad (particularly the SV bottlings) which is causing me to cut way back. For example, here are highlights of prices I have paid for Myriad Dr Crane since starting in 2010:2010 $100/btl2015 $125/btl (25% increase over 5 years)2020 $175/btl (40% increase over 5 years)2022 $250/btl (43% increase in only 2 years!)I conversed with Leah via email about the prices. She blamed it on the price they are paying for fruit. I also have to think though that with the critical acclaim, they are also charging a premium to what they use to make - which I cannot blame them for doing. We would all do the same. Mike has worked/perfected his craft. He now has his own cult following like a lot of the Napa greats and he should get what the market will bear. Unfortunately, my pocketbook has reached its limits. I dropped the auto allocation and will have to pick and choose wisely and at much lower total number of bottles. There are plenty of really good Cabernets available that are more affordable. What a shame though. Means some person without my appreciation or history with Myriad will be buying these wines becasue he can afford them and I cannot (or maybe I should say I cannot justify the cost). Lucky him. Lucky Mike Smith. Boo for me!
1/9/24, 3:50 PM - And definitely not at this price point.
1/1/24, 6:51 AM - I think that is a VERY generous rating from JD. I picked up this wine for $39. And it drinks as you would expect at that price point. I stand by my 89 rating though (that is not a bad score)
12/21/23, 3:10 PM - I had the exact same experience with this wine last July. Was hoping it would improve by now. Based on your note (thanks) unfortunately it sounds as if it hasn't. I am beginning to wonder if they will ever come around. And I find this is the case with a lot of the '18s. Why WS rated 2018 so high is lost on me especially when I have been disappointed in so many '18s compared to the 07, '08, 09, '12, '16, and '19. I am still of the belief that the growing conditions were so good in 2018 that perhaps there was not enough crop thinning.
12/14/23, 10:25 AM - You guessed the source Yack Man. And Barry - I did the same and took a chance. I only ordered 3 and wanted to try as if they were really good I was going to go back for more. I also orderd some of their regular cab but have not popped one yet. As for these, I will do as Yack Man suggests above and wait a few years on my other two - maybe the will come around.
12/14/23, 10:27 AM - *I meant to type - I will do what you suggest Barry*
12/16/23, 12:19 PM - I got the Pursuit (Philippe Melka) from them that I liked a lot as well. You never know. Cheers
11/27/23, 5:42 AM - Well that explains why I was only able to get a few more bottles - you hoarder! :-)
11/26/23, 6:43 AM - I just checked prices - ouch! I got the 2018's for ~$90/btl. Now they are selling for $120 - a 30% increase in 1 year! Is that Bidenomics?
7/17/23, 6:05 AM - KK - how was the estate drinking? I was thinking those might be better for early drinking while I allow my Cranes to lay down for a while.
7/19/23, 6:27 AM - KK - thank you so much for the follow up. Very helpful.
11/16/23, 3:30 PM - Travelme - Glad you enjoyed. I see we like a lot of the same wines. Love your profile pic - I am down to my last Sherwin Stars and Stripes bottle - a 2012 that I should probably consume. But I just love seeing the bottle displayed too much and cannot bring myself to open :-)
11/8/23, 8:57 AM - I think the '18s have gotten a lot better with time. How do you think these compare to 18s when they were young?
11/9/23, 7:18 AM - Thanks Brady. Mark - you are probably correct. Let's hope more time laying down helps that to not be the case here.
10/26/23, 6:37 AM - AGELVIS - I belive this winery continues to improve with each vintage.
10/26/23, 1:38 PM - Not sure if you have had any of their "Details" wine. If you see it offered, I recommend, as it is a great value wine. Usually offered for $35-40.
9/26/23, 9:23 AM - Night 2??? Wiat...I thought your screename was DranktheWHOLEbottle :-)
9/22/23, 9:46 AM - I bought 2 cases of this vintage and am going through them far too quickly myself. But when they are this good, why wait?! I love Mark Herold wines. Cheers
9/22/23, 10:33 AM - I will have to look up Brion - not familar
9/14/23, 12:48 PM - Yack Man - I agree on 2018 being way overhiped. It was a perfect growing season for sure. My personal belief is that not enough thinning and dropping of some clusters is to blame as I read somewhere that the tonage per acre was way up. I also have found myself to be drinking the few 2020's that I did purchase (fear of smoke taint) very quickly. My new philosophy - as long as a vintage is open for business, then I am drinking them without concern for the future. The '18s are finally starting to come around. The 19's came of the gate strong but seem to be in the awkward stage now. So I drink whatever is drinknig well now. I am looking foward to trying the '21s as everyone is saying they are fantastic.
9/11/23, 1:27 PM - I am beginning to wonder if they are going to release a '19 Jersey Boys or not. I already bought some of the '19 Heirloom.
9/12/23, 1:23 PM - Great info. Thanks to you both.
8/29/23, 12:01 PM - jazzwine - so I take it you do not like Rombauer? ha ha! Actually Rob Lloyd used to be head winemaker at Rombauer - and I would certainly say that there is some of that style in his own label. I do not think that is a bad thing. I know what to expect with Llyod or Rombauer and it is the consistency I appreciate most from both labels. Sometimes I enjoy/crave a Chardonnay on the buttery spectrum - this one is certainly on the buttery side. I have been fortunate to have a lot of the Calif greats including Aubert, Kistler, HDV... But the best Napa Chardonnay that I ever had (several times) is Kongsgaard "The Judge" - ever tried that one? If not, worth seeking out.
8/30/23, 11:11 AM - Helen Turley does not have anything to do with the Kongsgaard wines. John Kongsgaard is the founder and winemaker. "The Judge" is his flagship cuvee made from vines where he grew up when his father was a judge in Napa. Outstanding and one of the highest scoring Chardonnays year after year. He has a few different bottlings. And to be clear, I would not compare Lloyd or Rombauer to the likes of Marcassin, Aubert, Kistler, Kongsgaard, etc. Not even close. But to go back to your car comparison, a Ferarri is great, but sometimes I enjoy driving a Jeep with no top and no doors. You cannot compare the two - but they both have a time and a place (to a lot of us anyway). I never intended to turn into the "Rombauer defender" - it is obviously a polarizing wine. I just see it for what it is and dont take it too seriously. Now...what do you think about Caymus? Just kidding! ha ha! Wish you well. Cheers
8/30/23, 7:33 PM - WTF is wrong with you? I read comments you posted on others notes and you are a broken record. First, you tell people what an elitist wine snob you are, how smart you are, and then when you get called out with your incorrect info, you pull the "you are sexist" card. What does Helen Turley have to do with anything? You are just an idiot out looking for a fight - probably sipping on an $8.99 bottle of swill while doing so... an old crotchety person that I am sure Helen Turley would appreciate, like the rest of us if you would just shut up and keep your worthless opinions, comments to yourself. Nobody cares - which is probably why you are out picking fights. You are actually boring as every comment you have posted is the same old shit. Cut and pasted. I tried to be somewhat nice - until I read the other notes you have posted and now I know exactly what you are - just an ass. And I dont care if you are a man or a woman - you are an ass either way. Done with you. Feel free to post another comment. You will not get a reply from me. You are not worth the time. Go pick a fight somewhere else.
9/2/23, 10:42 AM - SonomaLady - I have never had such a dis-respectful exchange on this website as I did with Jazz. And now you with the same thing? How did I become both sexist and a Trump voter with an AK47 for liking a wine? Decanting Queen knows what is really going on here... we have exchanged many thoughts and notes through the years. Unfortunately, it would appear there are some trolls on this website now.
9/2/23, 10:45 AM - DecantingQueen - I am pretty sure Sonoma Lady and JazzWine are the same person. I have blocked them both. Trolls. Thanks for chiming in.
9/5/23, 11:26 AM - Thanks Mark1! In hindsight now, the thread above is pretty funny. Never in my life would I have imagined that kind of trolling on this website.
9/6/23, 4:49 AM - Unreal
9/5/23, 3:21 PM - 😂🤣❤️😂
9/2/23, 10:47 AM - I have not tried the White Hawk bottling yet but see that one is also getting great scores. I will try to wait...but sometimes I am weak!
8/15/23, 10:42 AM - Sometimes, that is all that needs to be said. I also love this wine/vintage. Halfway through my case - but why wait?! :-)
7/17/23, 6:03 AM - Decanting Queen - I feel the same about the '18s. And they are mostly still not drinking up to my standards (had a Myriad NV '18 a few weeks ago and was still just OK). But this Dr Crane is drinking well with a long decant and worth trying.
7/5/23, 7:31 AM - We decanted only for an hour before consuming. Bottle was gone in 3 hours and we didnt notice a lot of change from beginning to end (wish I could say it was coming alive at the 4 hour mark). Again, this is good wine. Just not what I have come to expect from this winemaker/vineyard combo.
6/21/23, 3:41 PM - Yack Man - I agree completely. I have waited too long on many and am now of the mindset that if they are drinking well, then I drink up. This was my 4th of the NV already out of a case. No point in trying to hold on for the chance that it might improve a point or two. As I have found more than not, when they are drinking so well early on, they end up declining a point or two instead of going up over time.
6/22/23, 5:04 PM - Do you know where the fruit for the 21 Calistoga will come from?
6/23/23, 5:04 AM - Thanks BadMonkey - I too recently bought more of the Calistoga Cheers!
6/18/23, 1:18 PM - Just got more of the Calistoga!
6/9/23, 3:09 PM - great note (and analogies!)
6/10/23, 5:19 AM - I actually only have one bottle of these. So I appreciate when I read drink/hold recommendations. I will definitely wait several years before drinking based on your experience.
5/24/23, 1:16 PM - I had to laugh at the portion of your note about having 2 decanters to protect against chugging. Sounds exactly like what my wife would write about me! :-) I look forward to opening this wine when she goes to the beach with the gals! (kidding...maybe) Cheers
5/24/23, 12:59 PM - I have had several bottles from this vintage wtih no off putting or chemical notes. Could this perhaps have been an off bottle?
5/1/23, 9:53 AM - WINOWHYNO - can you share where you found these on sale? I would love to buy some.
5/1/23, 3:04 PM - North Carolina. Thankfully there is no problem with shipping here
5/1/23, 4:57 PM - Thanks for the responses. I picked these up on special from Sinegal @$35. And that price is a great deal for this caliber wine and I would definiately by more if I could find at that price. But for $19... you should back up the truck if you can find for that price! But I think at $50, this wine is a little over it skis (IMHO), and there are others I would go to at that price. Thanks again for the responses
4/27/23, 11:09 AM - just ordered a couple more of these! :-)
4/25/23, 9:37 AM - Yack Man - yours and my tastes seem to align very well! One of the "bright spots" I mentioned above was the 2018 Lewis NV (their L Cuvee even better. In addition, others I really liked from 2018 were Kamen, Herold (Brown Label), and Kinsella Heirloom.
4/12/23, 3:28 AM - CabLover - great to hear on the ‘19. I will have to grab some as I have generally liked the 19 vintage better than 18 for the majority of Napa Cabs.
4/12/23, 3:25 AM - We gave it an hour and a half. Drank it over 2 hours. It was still getting better at the end
3/26/23, 2:37 PM - Yes they are! :-) Guess I'll keep drinking. Just ordered 6 more.
1/28/23, 8:05 AM - I had my first bottle back in November and it was still very tight. Had another bottle a week or so ago and it was in a MUCH better spot - and only 2 mos later. So does that mean it will rush to maturity and therefore I should drink up (I have 10 bottles left). Or does that mean it will continue to get even better before declining and I should be a little more patient... Third world problems - huh? :-) I will probably go somewhere in between and continue with my science experiment on this wine - I will keep popping these to find the answer!
1/28/23, 7:58 AM - Very stubborn vintage for sure. But at least starting (barely) to come around. Quite the contrast to '19 and '20 MS wines which are ready for business.
1/18/23, 7:11 AM - Cristal - love the side by side comparison as well as your commentary on how the wines changed over time once being opened (which helps me in terms of knowing which wines to potentially age longer). You are very lucky to have drank all of these together. Nice note! Cheers
1/6/23, 11:28 AM - Thanks for your thoughts. And I did order the Quivet 2020. Just not enough!
12/5/22, 3:59 PM - My sentiments with the majority of Mike's 2018s unfortunately. Lets hope they come around. Thanks for the heads up on this one. Will wait a while before popping one.
11/14/22, 12:59 PM - I agree 1000%
11/13/22, 3:06 PM - I picked up another half case BEFORE the WS rating. So tells you I think this has the stuffing to be a great wine! Just give a couple of hours if drinking now (we did not on our first bottle).
11/1/22, 1:32 PM - I agree with you both on the '18 Lewis Cabs. They have been spectacular. I have only had one of the '19 Lewis Cabs to date and it was not as good as the '18 (at least at this stage). I still have hope these '18 Myriad's will come around.
9/26/22, 8:31 AM - BadMonkey - if you get in touch with the winery, please share their thoughts
9/26/22, 2:23 PM - Thanks for the follow up.
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