4/30/24, 6:27 PM - Thanks for the TN and everyone's comments. A local retail has a few bottles available at $230 and it's an easy pass.
5/1/24, 6:06 PM - Damn, the mic has dropped!
10/31/23, 12:49 PM - Interesting regarding the smoke. Smoke taint has been a concern for me for the 2020 vintage, particularly Northern California and Oregon, but also Paso. (SBC was spared.) I did taste through half a dozen Tablas reds in July. I was pleasantly surprised to get no clear hints of smoke taint in any of them. I noticed that you didn't note smoke in your your TN for the Terret, which leaves the Syrah as the likely culprit here. It's possible only some blocks were effected. Also, smoke taint is notorious for playing hide and seek in red wines - it can not show at all and then a year later be obvious.
10/31/23, 3:43 PM - Well said and well considered. I remember in real time reading about the smoke in Paso and seeing photos. With so much great wine sloshing around the globe, why take undue risk?
4/21/24, 8:03 AM - Bummer to hear, hmwolters. In the 2020 vintage I bought zero bottles from Oregon and nearly all of my California purchases were either SBC or required club shipments.
4/17/24, 2:21 PM - Thanks for the helpful TN and comments follow-up. I hear you on price, but with a handful of bottles on close-out here in the U.S. at $150 including tax ~equiv. 120 GPB, duty & VAT inclusive, I think I'll bite!
4/17/24, 5:11 PM - Anhelo, not sure where you're located. This retailer is in Southern California.
4/18/24, 7:18 AM - Anhelo, LiteItOnFire,wine-searcher.com has completed it's daily scrape and updated to reflect the sale price. See here*: https://www.wine-searcher.com/find/l+if+st+emilion+bordeaux+france/2020/usa-ca?Xsort_order=pThere were six bottles available. I purchased two, so four remain.* Not trying to be coy, but I generally don't document specific price + store identity data on CT when it comes to close-out deals.
4/16/24, 8:22 AM - Just had a bottle and loved it. It's getting in the zone. I looked at the CT consensus drinking window and it goes out to 2026. I agree with your assessment that it'll develop further out than that and I'm adjusting my window accordingly.
4/15/24, 9:50 AM - Glad to hear someone else is having this happy surprise. It's part of what makes having a cellar so interesting. Some things might go sideways and even disappoint, while others come out of nowhere and shine.
4/13/24, 7:41 AM - Thanks for the informative and fun TN, but I can't make sense of the numbers you put at the end of your TNs. "69"?
4/8/24, 1:38 PM - You might have had a different wine. This is a Rhone blend.
4/3/24, 10:13 AM - Thanks for your review - I'll avoid this wine, but an '85' is on the Good to Very Good bubble!
4/3/24, 7:28 AM - ISWYDT
3/30/24, 5:05 PM - This is a red wine.
3/29/24, 6:51 PM - Crisp skin and bread salad!
3/25/24, 8:30 PM - How was it? The wine, I mean.
3/25/24, 8:19 PM - Thanks for the fantastic TN. You helped me pull the trigger on a couple of bottles and I'm someone who clearly has a per-bottle wine budget well below yours. FYI, Wine House in LA currently has a nice price on this if you're looking to add more.
3/23/24, 8:37 AM - Fantastic TN, thank you. As for "an act of begging the very thing that is unwanted", ah, well this sadly seems to be something that has infested many things well beyond serving temperature for brut nature...
3/23/24, 10:05 AM - Thanks for the tip. Your profile shows OC. I'm LA and buy a bit from Envoyer in OC. He pitched this today for $80.
3/23/24, 8:47 AM - Truth. Fools are the reason there's still real gold in them there hills for the rest of us.
3/14/24, 8:58 AM - Thanks for your helpful TN. In particular, thanks for advising on the drinking window.FYI, I recently learned that the CT team has decided to change the way the community drinking windows work. As of now, if a given vintage of a wine has less than four CT community members contributing a drinking window, the system will automatically use the drinking windows from *ALL* of that wine's vintages in CT. This can include decades of a wine's vintages across various conditions and aging potential.So... I'm commenting to my fellow users to please set a drinking window on wines you've got experience with (e.g. when you create a new TN for the wine). I'm doing this myself, even if I don't have any bottles remaining. I wish there were a way to update drinking window information integrated with making a TN, but there is not. I've gathered that there are no plans to do so.
3/14/24, 12:53 PM - Thanks again. Much appreciated. The hope is that we can get enough users to click through the "Drink YYYY-YYYY" link and set those dates to update the community average drinking window.Like most users, I get a lot of value from the TN text more than the scores. But in terms of pacing bottles in my cellar to drink, I relay on those CT drinking windows, whether ones I've set or others have set (community).
3/13/24, 4:28 PM - Thanks for your helpful TN. Sounds like this vintage is for earlier drinking.FYI, I recently learned that the CT team has decided to change the way the community drinking windows work. As of now, if a given vintage of a wine has less than four CT community members contributing a drinking window, the system will automatically use the drinking windows from *ALL* of that wine's vintages in CT. This can include decades of a wine's vintages across various conditions and aging potential.So... I'm commenting to my fellow users to please set a drinking window on wines you've got experience on (e.g. when you create a new TN for the wine). I'm doing this myself, even if I don't have any bottles remaining.
1/29/24, 9:42 AM - Thanks for another helpful TN. I'm not familiar with double-decanting. What does that entail?
3/11/24, 8:31 AM - Ah, then I have indeed double decanted a few times myself!
3/9/24, 5:52 PM - I don't understand the California comment.
3/6/24, 10:53 AM - Nice TN, thanks. Really hard to lay off the Garagiste offer at $30, but I'm trying to be really disciplined on my buying.
3/3/24, 9:09 AM - Great TN, thank you. If you've got more of this wine, consider pairing with seafood. It went great with sole meuniere. I also plan to try pairing it with peanut curry chicken - a review of this wine by a Somm-owned retailer several years ago swore that it is a great pairing.
2/27/24, 6:07 PM - Thanks for the TN. I've got two bottles, both in off site storage due to the CT consensus drinking window of 2024 - 2032 (Based on 5 user opinions). I look forward to your next TN to see maybe I'd be safer pulling one sooner rather than later.
2/27/24, 10:57 AM - Given that your bottles will have been stored in ideal conditions from the time of receipt directly from the winery, the Tablas blog and vintage chart updates will serve you well to avoid a likely closed phase.If I ever score a wine '100' that would be equivalent to a Maroni infinity.
2/26/24, 6:23 PM - Great note, thanks. I just popped one and it's into maturity and very nice. Curious how you find information on Paso / westside vintage conditions. I still haven't found resources that give a reasonably unbiased review of the overall vintages. (These things are always subject to asterisks and exceptions and Paso has so many distinct districts and varietals, making it more difficult to assess a vintage at a high level.)
2/26/24, 6:15 PM - Chiming in since I had a '13 Esprit only a couple weeks prior and loved it, Excellent/Outstanding, whereas a few other experiences with this Esprit vintage years ago were, of course, very good, but otherwise not exceptional.I sense that many of my fellow CT users have ideal storage conditions. Over the years, I've put more of my longer-term drinking wines into offsite storage at ideal conditions (55 F, humidity control). However my home storage over the past decade ranged from low-mid-50s to mid (to upper) 60s seasonally. Perfectly dark, no temperature spikes, but the take-away is an average temperature in the low-60s and thus accelerated (and different) aging. My bottle consumed a couple weeks ago was stored at home the entire time. It may well represent a close approximation of what others with ideal conditions will experience in 2-4 years' time.I just pulled a couple more '13s from offsite storage where they've been for several years. Stay tuned...
2/25/24, 6:59 PM - One weakness I have is waiting too long to pick a dinner wine and then having to pass over wines that would need a substantial decant. On the other hand, your note reminds us that despite the oft wisdom of the CT crowd, sometimes a recommended long decant isn't right for the bottle we have on hand. Importantly, the storage conditions among CT users differ. Someone opening a wine held for five years at 55 F holds a different bottle in hand than one held at 63 F. So... a thought to Coravin and taste a wine prior to dumping into the decanter for an extended aeration?
2/21/24, 9:20 AM - Sounds salty!
2/13/24, 5:48 PM - Shit. I hope my experience is different. Looks like I cracked open my first of four bottles three and a half years ago and loved it. Fingers crossed that it's in a awkward phase.
2/18/24, 2:57 PM - Furtunately, my second of four purchased bottles worked out great the other night. Hopefully, my other two bottles will hold up well, too.
1/22/24, 8:24 AM - I'm very much of the same mind with every element of your statement, but late to the game trying Sandlands wines even though I've had a number of wines from vineyards Sandlands sources from or owns. Give the 2018 Precedent Zinfandel Kirschenmann Vineyard a try if you can. It's available at K&L. There really is so much exciting winemaking, particularly focused on heritage vineyards and varieties, that has sprung up in California during the past decade or so, it's head spinning. (And the cost advantage of European producers outside of the Big Bs keeps a good chunk of my spending there.)
1/21/24, 1:22 PM - FYI, you can edit and delete tasting notes. You can also remove purchases and reverse consumption.
1/21/24, 12:47 PM - Your comment got me to look at purchase history from this producer. It seems the 2014 was at about the same level as this 2018. The good news is that I've got a bottle of the 2016 in the cellar. I should have reached for that last night!
1/20/24, 11:12 AM - FYI, I think you buy from Envoyer as I do and thus may have purchased this wine sold and labeled as Domaine Anne & Arnaud Goisot. I purchased a few of these from Envoyer in Jan. 2021 and just now figured out that I'd mis-entered into CT as this wine. It turns out Domaine Anne & Arnaud Goisot did not exist as a producer in CT. I created it and created the correct wine, updating my CT purchase and consumption information to reflect that. Tedious, I know. Anyway, per an importer "[Domaine Anne et Arnaud Goisot] are one of the many families in the village named Goisot (not unlike all the Moreys in Chassagne, or Dauvissats in nearby Chablis)". I'm asking CT Admin to splash one of those "potential confusion" warnings on the Add Wine screen.
1/20/24, 10:25 AM - Thanks for your great TNs in general and for several Chateau Margene wines in particular. I came across K&L selling small quantities of half a dozen+ vintages from 2008 - 2012, all but one Cabernet Sauvignon, some Reserve, some not. I pulled the trigger on the lone bottle of this '09 Reserve, taking the extended age risk along with provenance. Anyway, it's an affordable try - ~mid-$20s non-Reserve, ~low-$30s Reserve. (I'm close enough to their Hollywood shop to pick up - looks like you've got Wine Exchange, Envoyer, Spectrum, and Hi-Time at your fingertips!)
1/17/24, 7:29 AM - Thanks for the nice TN. I just picked up a bottle a week ago. Sources I've seen show composition of 70% Sangiovese, 15% Sagrantino, 15% Montepulciano.
1/13/24, 11:03 AM - I detest Lenin, but I love your TNs and the attitude you express here, particularly regarding taking proactive and deliberate actions to stave off a slow and steady closing of the mind. We live in a world being overtaken by secular religious fanatics, many of whom never seem to have passed through anything resembling a true ideological commitment, somehow simultaneously blowing in the wind - ready to accept the next absurdity foisted upon them by those fronting for those that are indeed ideologically committed - while boldly claiming unquestionable certainty and proclaiming their unshakable alliance with each new Current Thing.
1/13/24, 10:53 AM - Great TN, thank you! I was tempted on this one, but your detailed description helps me pivot. I definitely do *not* like the lactic quality ("sour cream/yoghurt flavour") I get in some natural red wines. However, I very rarely have found that on PnP and when I've detected it materially, it's most often after extended air / 2nd day. This has happened a number of time with Gang Of 4 and friends Beaujolais, where I've loved it the first night, but gotten the lactic quality on the back half of the bottle. Either way, it's a matter of taste preference. Thanks again.
12/2/23, 7:56 AM - Great TNs on this wine. Thank you so much. I see you're in NorCal, but FYI in case you want some more of this for your cellar, there's a good SoCal retailer with this on close-out. As of now (7:55 AM PST, Dec. 2, 2023), you can see it via wine-searcher.com without a "Pro" subscription. It's a good enough deal to justify paying shipping, IMO.
1/2/24, 10:22 AM - That was one of the best comment replies I've ever seen on CT and I've seen some good ones!I also never use "the post". I only buy wines directly from importers who use the vinsubstantiation shipment method for both land and ocean freight. This way, I know that the wine is never mishandled and that the wine in the bottle I receive is identical to that in the winery itself. (I did make an exception here, because I know this local retailer works with vinsubstantiation-enabled supply chain partners to bring in this wine.)
1/4/24, 8:20 AM - Be careful with K&L then. Be sure to make sure the inventory for your purchases is at your local store. If they only have inventory in their Hollywood location it'll go on their truck to your store!
12/21/23, 6:09 PM - Thanks for the TN, but it belongs with the Reserve, which is here: https://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=4323065You can just copy your TN text and paste into a new one for the correct wine and then delete this one. Keeping it here distorts the score info for the non-Reserve wine.Cheers
12/20/23, 1:32 PM - Is the the 2/2002 a typo?
12/20/23, 9:38 AM - Mark1npt:Regarding "numerous shills, winemakers, industry people, winemakers, etc", I wish there were a way for us to share our thoughts about accounts that are likely to be in one of those categories. It doesn't seem that CT has added any meaningful features in the past decade to keep up with this kind of thing. I doubt they're improving the backend game to try to sniff it out.
12/20/23, 9:39 AM - I looked at my average price for this wine over the years and it's exactly zero - they've all been gifted bottles!
12/20/23, 12:13 PM - Mark1npt:The holiday gift thing is a thing for my spouse's industry and Veuve is kind of an easy buy for the gift giver.As for the shills and such, there are lots of possibilities today. Using IP addresses and patterns (detected by AI and) assisted by AI could raise flags. I buy little Napa or Sonoma, so my CT experience is probably cleaner. I doubt a grower for the Chinon I buy at $30 gives a rat's ass what people on CT think!
12/12/23, 8:08 AM - Thanks. That combo and similar ones make me not miss meat on the plate. Really good when done simply and well. Looking forward to your TN on this wine when you get around to drinking it.FYI, seeing your comment led me to take another look at my TN and I edited to swap the order of two sentences to make it clear that it was Ruché that would have been my best guess, rather than the Mammolo (Sciaccarello), which came to mind a bit later in the drinking.
12/12/23, 5:44 PM - Oh, and regarding the bottle weights, I'll try to keep up with that. I got the idea from another user I came across. Consider doing it yourself, if you've got the time. A heavy bottle isn't going to stop me from buying a wine I really want, but I think it'll dissuade me from something I'm not passionate about buying.
12/12/23, 2:46 PM - I've got a couple more in the cellar and am trying to keep my hands off them for a while. Vinous (Rebecca Gibb) gave it a window of 2022 – 2035, while the longtime Loire wine buyer at K&L wrote in late 2021 that this wine "certainly will evolve gracefully for many years". I think I'm going to dial it to 2022 - 2032, though.
12/11/23, 10:25 PM - with what?
12/11/23, 10:23 PM - I can't imagine a nicer way to say that the wine is vastly overpriced. Thank you! I was considering a purchase.
12/11/23, 8:54 AM - Thanks for your TN. Decanting is necessary for sure. Aside: This is only 21% Syrah.
12/9/23, 9:17 AM - Thanks for sharing your accidental open. It sounds like even though you plan to wait over a decade for the next bottle, it wasn't a total waste with a decant today. Perhaps I'll plan a 4+ hour decant and see what happens...
12/3/23, 2:24 PM - Thanks for the great TN. I'm trying to set my drinking window for a remaining bottle of this NV wine. I'm wondering if yours was a Garagiste 2019 purchase?
11/28/23, 12:54 PM - NickA - it looks like the admins must have moved the TN to the proper place!
11/28/23, 1:06 PM - FYI, if you ever come across incorrect information in CT, it's easy to report to the admins and they'll address it.If it's a tasting note, you can use the little drop down to the right of it and click "Report Issue".If the wine itself was incorrectly created (or is a duplicate), just go to the bottom of the page and click the "Report a problem" link.In both cases, there's a little pop-up where you can provide a brief description of the issue.Just do that and click the "Save and Done" button in the pop-up and you've done your good deed (tidying up CT) for the day!Oh, btw, thanks for the great TN. I'm picking up some of this (the 243!) on a close-out deal.
11/27/23, 8:34 AM - Just noting the Contra Costa Mataro comp. Now *that* is a very rare comp!
11/26/23, 4:06 PM - I've got to drink more Bordeaux. There's so much good stuff reasonably priced. But there's also so much delicious wine being made in so many places from so many varietals today. It's a good time to be a wine drinker!
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